Darth Tigris said:
Icyedge said:
kowenicki said:
I didnt say thats what you do...
But it isnt a meaningless discussion on a site and forum centered on sales.
Facts are hard to dispute so I undertsand they cause consternation, but a healthy debate and good old argument is perfectly fine in my book.
I dont understand why it has to become personal.
For the record... and I have said this often... I have no issue with sony hardware (its just hardware) and no issue with Sony (thought I think they have really fucked themselves this gen from a business perspective), I have probvably bought more sony hardware in my lifetime than the majorioty here.
I do have a real problem with people who think Sony (or Nintendo) are some kind of holier than thou corporation that exist solely for the pleasure of their "fans". It especially bugs me when that is based on some misplaced nonsense about Japanese ethics. They are businesses and are no different to MS, Apple or anyone else.
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Japanese corporation (or german, swiss ect) arent holier then thou but their heads up does behave differently then american corporation. This gen, its even because of their ideals Sony got so much trouble. Dont misread me, they want money, they need money. But they design their products before thinking of money, which is different from the process of most american companies. Product design is just an example out of many. As example, there was a recent news saying Nintendo heads up would cut their salary (not bonus, their salary) because of the drop of Nintendo market value, you dont see that in america. Though, this doesnt justify all fanboy talk out there ; ), american companies are not the devil lol, just different mentality.
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Actually you do. Americans, Japanese, Brazilians, etc are not all nationally programmed replicants (yes, I just watched Blade Runner).
kowen's point is dead on: this is all about money. The only reason these businesses exist is to make money. If they don't, then they can no longer do anything because everything that they do cost (or makes) money. The sooner people divorce themselves from thinking these companies are something more benevolent the sooner we can all discuss matters in a more balanced (and less emotional) way.
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Your right on the fact that companies are not all nationally programmed, my previous post was a generalisation. But the other point is wrong, many business are started and handle not for the sole purpose of doing money. There is heads up with ideals, many actually. I could just use my boss as example, sometime he take costly decision because it helps the local population. Its a very successful business too, its possible to make money as well as respect your ideals. But we see less and less of that in america compare to german or japanese as example. That was my point. Like I said, I dont agree with the holier then thou either, but to say there is no general differences in the way company are handle by country is wrong. Also wrong is saying all heads up only care about money, specifically when we are talking about product design and R&D.
P.S.: Microsoft isnt a company I know very well, im not making any kind of judgment about its specific case.
