Are there any religions or cults that you just do not understand? With in reason.

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sad.man.loves.vgc said:

A question about Hadith: How can you be sure that all of it is true? including "saheeh al-bokhari" books.

I just don't get why Muslims (Sunnis) put it right next to Quran. For believers, Allah promised that the Quran is immune to any "tahreef" but there is no similar immunity to any other book.

One of the rules that bokhari followed in writing his book:

اختارها الإمام البخاري من بين ستمائة ألف حديث كانت تحت يديه؛ لأنه كان مدقِّقًا في قبول الرواية، واشترط شروطًا خاصة في رواية راوي الحديث، وهي أن يكون معاصرًا لمن يروي عنه، وأن يسمع الحديث منه، أي أنه اشترط الرؤية والسماع معًا، هذا إلى جانب الثقة والعدالة والضبط والإتقان والعلم والورع.

The book sounds like a retrospective study with unavoidable bisas. He just included people who he thought they were very good Muslims and excluded the ones who weren't, according to him and to the people he asked ofcourse.

I have lived enough to know that judging people by how long and how many times they pray can never be a valid measure of character. You can be with someone for years and never really know who he/she is. I am sure you understand what I mean.

I am not suggesting the whole book is invalid but being 100% certain that everything is written in it is true just doesn't make sense to me. Muslims these days are taking it further and following "current" Ulama words as if they were the new words of god.

 

"Now as far as religions/cults that I don't understand: I can't say I understand the non-Sunni sects of Islam."

The problem is that in general people don't read or even try to think for themselves. Most of the Muslims these days wouldn't be Muslims if they were born in a different part of the world and Sunnis would be shi'a if they were born in Iran and vice versa. The amount of hate that's spread by the leaders of these sects make communitcation and discussions between their people impossible.

 

OT: I don't think anyone really "gets" anything completely. Religious people answer lots of questions with "becuz god sayz zo!" and it doesn't matter if god is being unfair or completely irrational. Athiests are eager to what science may reveal in the future and I am tired of typing so whatever.

You raise some good questions: First off, scholars have been working hard to document the Hadiths. Of course there were lies thrown out here and there, but they're routed out. It's really a study more than anything else, and there are continuous debates on some parts to this day.

 

As for my comment, it's as I told Sabby. That is one of the BIGGEST problems with Muslims today. They don't read...they don't educate themselves, or understand how to adopt their religion into society. And there's other things, but I'd be going off topic. However, my criticism of other sects comes from personal studying of my own and from interaction with them.

And again, like I said before, I have no issues with people who follow different sects, as long as they don't have a beef with me. I just am critical of their sect's teachings is all. Personally, I would be a Sunni today even if I was born into a family of anything, even if it meant death threats.