| Kasz216 said: I actually did, you just managed to ignore and or strawman 1) Again, stupid, if I wasted my time I'm sure i could find plenty of dumb australian scandals caused by various things. Like government officials taking bribes to appoint other government officals in the jailing commission. Doesn't point out the fact that either case is wrong. You're still missing the point here. When something becomes privatised, it's main objective becomes profit above everything else. That in turn drives plans to generate more profit, in the case of the jailing system, it means finding ways to get more people into prison. The judges is one thing, but these groups are also lobbying for tougher sentencing on petty crimes. 2) Again, uh... You didn't actually disprove me here, Nowhere have I argued against anti-monopoly legislation. It's like argueing that if someone comits malpractice it's okay because "He'd of died without surgery anyway right? I mean if your against surgery so much!" You're arguing that less regulation is the way to go. Less regulation leads to cases such as Standard Oil and the prime mortgage crisis. In fact, Australia came out of the GFC relatively unscathed. Want to know why? Bank regulation by the Keating government to avoid this kind of bullshit. Nice attempt to strawman away from the fact that you were wrong here. Just curious, how much Telecom research was being done by the Australian government when it controlled the telecom industry? When the government privatised Telstra, it had a top quality copper network, and one of the best GSM coverages in the world. After privatisation? No attempts at land line maintenance, and nowwe're paying top dollar to keep a degraded copper network running. GSM coverage has switched to 3G, except a lot will argue that there are a lot more black spots than there used to be. I used to be able to get 100% coverage on the main highway between Sydney and Melbourne. Now it's probably 60% of the time, when travelling close to towns. The government has had to step in twice since Telstra's privatisation. The first relates to internet. Before government intervention, people were paying $100 for 1.5Mbit with 40GB cap. Now they're forced to provide a theoretical 20Mbit (good luck getting that over their degraded copper line) with 500GB. The second is the degraded network itself. Because of Telstra's refusal to maintain it's own infastructure on the only nationwide copper network, the government now has to build a fibre network itself. This was only 10 years after Howard promised the privatisation of Telstra would lead to a fully competitive system running on fibre network, paid for by the telcos. So where'd that go? Oh yeah! They realised they could price gouge us without having to install fibre. After all, Telstra only made $4 billion PROFIT last year! the major breakthrough in telecommuncations to Australia in the past 10 years? Probably WiFi, used worldwide now. The inventor? The government funded CSIRO. So where are these breakthroughs that a fully privatised industry is supposed to provide us? 3) I'd guess so, afterall in the US we don't really have that problem, sure they make a profit.... sometimes (GE actually pays no taxes because it lost so much money before.) However in the US, we allow private companies to compete with each other, driving prices down. US Electricity is downright cheap in comparison to Australia... and generally cheap vs the world as far as I can tell. We have competition in Australia. The only problem is, the companies are in agreement with each other in order to benefit the entire industry. It's the same deal with fuel here. When oil prices go up, prices immediately go up. When oil prices go down, it takes a month or two before they decide to follow suit. This isn't just one petrol company, it's all of them! Hell we'd even be price goughed by the banks if there wasn't a reulatory Reserve Bank setting the interest rates, despite the banks salivating at the mouth to raise them. Commonwealth bank commonly breaks trends and raises 1/4 - 3/4% above the reserve price. And surely it's justified that they did. I mean after all, they only made a measly $4.7 billion PROFIT in 2009. 4) So your point is to cherry pick a couple inventions? Nice job trying to cherrypick and then also try to discount the fact that, like you said, America is improving on everything far far more then any other country... including basically every item you mentioned. If you want to add more modern medical inventions, feel free to. And the talking point that America improves on everything well....I'm sure you have a ton of sources to back up that claim, too. I mean, to claim that America improves on everything and giving no regard to other countries providing research for more efficient means just sounds plain ignorant if you're spouting it. Consumer Base is a poor explination when you consider the fact that the US once again, spends more and achives more in research then the rest of the world combined. So where's your source on that? I assume you're not just pulling that fact out of your ass like the rest of the conservatives claiming the best healthcare in the world, despite private companies having every right to discriminate against the sick, or tell them "oh bad luck. Despite the years of you giving us your money, we're going to axe you now that you have been diagnosed with cancer"
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You've just shown me that with your conservative ideology, the four industries mentioned (prison, telecommunications, banking, medicine) would be shown to benefit ON PAPER ONLY. When put into practise, it creates a mess of anti-research and higher costs for already implemented technologies. None of the private industries are making breakthroughs. They're plagurising already existing technologies and abusing them for mass profit. If you were serious in advancement of technology, put the funds behind Universities where proper research is performed, not towards private companies who believe it's smooth sailing on existing tech.
