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Kasz216 on 17 August 2011
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fordy said:
Kasz216 said:

Lets work from the back foward but adress healthcare last before getting back on topic.

First off, we had a total of two judges in who have been arrested for that... which is such a small number it's ridiculious to pretend it's anything signifcant vs significant corruptuion in all court systems.

You mean besides all the lobbying going on about getting tougher on petty crimes in order to fill these jails up? Two judges is still two judges too many, especially considering the miniscule number of states privatising prisons.

Secondly, why do you blame that on privatisation exactly?  Didn't the government have a monopoly when they controlled it?  In the US we DON'T have monopolies, works out quite well for us, due to less government regulations.

No monopolies huh? Oh how they forget about the workings of Standard Oil. And who helped out there to split them up? Oh right....the government. The one that you're pushing not to get involved in corporate affairs.

Thirdly, as for electircity privatisation, well that would be your own fault for having too many government regulations... in the US private electricity works fine and is working better as we deregulate and allow more competition into the markets.

Oh I LOVE it when they use this excuse. It's not due to the fact that electricity companies here turn in profits of billions annuallly, it's because the government is twisting their arms. That's the problem with conservative ideology. Even the most efficient private service cannot outperform the most efficient public service, due to the fact that investors are expecting a return.

Fourthy, the vast majority of medical technology comes from the US specifically because of our healthcare sysetm which drives 80% of all healthcare R&D research.  If we had public healthcare like everyone else the healthcare industry would be set back 15+ years.  Hell think how much father along we'd be if everyone had the healthcare plan as us.  The high end stuff now would probably be what the poor could get for cheap, and EVERYONES health would be better.  Rather then just Europe and the rest sitting leaching off US tech once it becomes affordable enough for governments at a cheaper price.

Oh wow, where would we be without the Americans to take all the credit for medical breakthroughs. Well, let's take a look at some of the major breakthroughs lately, shall we?

Penicillin: Most likely the most important medical breakthrough of our time......was an Australian/Scottish/English discovery

MRI: Developed at the University of Nottingham, England.

Pacemaker: Saved thousands of lives and.....oh wait. Another Australian invention.

Anaesthesia: Was first used in Germany

DNA: First traces go back to the Unversity of Cambridge

CT scan: First proposed by an Italian. Commercially viable thanks to the UK

Chemotherapy: Well what do you know? Here's one made by Americans. Oh...but it was developed by the US Army. That's government owned, right?

Vaccinations: These are from various locations, not just the United States. The most recent vaccine against HPV the cause of most cervical cancers, came from the University of Queensland.

I'll give you one concession. Your  advances to medical breakthroughs aren't by your privatisation, but by your large consumer base. As for your question of where we would be? Well, if I do recall, it was the US that banned cloning and stem cell research initially, almost like it doesn't wish to dominate in medicine, merely take the credit when somebody else discovers it.

I mean honestly, are you going to give me some points to stump me, or do I have to keep shooting holes in your flawed ideology? Privatisation of public services is a FAILURE, especially if you can say that regulation is what keeps costs up, despite billions in profits generated by these guys. Trickle down economics is pure theory (in fact, theory often has some logic behind it, so let's just move it to 'myth' instead), as can be seen by the state of your economy now. Too much focus on giving tax breaks to promote jobs, but the truth is NOBODY IS WILLING TO EMPLOY IN AN ECONOMY WHERE NOBODY CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO BUY SHIT.

I actually did, you just managed to ignore and or strawman

1) Again, stupid, if I wasted my time I'm sure i could find plenty of dumb australian scandals caused by various things.  Like government officials taking bribes to appoint other government officals in the jailing commission.

2)  Again, uh... You didn't actually disprove me here,  Nowhere have I argued against anti-monopoly legislation.  It's like argueing that if someone comits malpractice it's okay because "He'd of died without surgery anyway right?  I mean if your against surgery so much!"

Nice attempt to strawman away from the fact that you were wrong here.  Just curious, how much Telecom research was being done by the Australian government when it controlled the telecom industry? 

3)  I'd guess so, afterall in the US we don't really have that problem, sure they make a profit.... sometimes (GE actually pays no taxes because it lost so much money before.)  However in the US, we allow private companies to compete with each other, driving prices down.  US Electricity is downright cheap in comparison to Australia... and generally cheap vs the world as far as I can tell. 

4)  So your point is to cherry pick a couple inventions?  Nice job trying to cherrypick and then also try to discount the fact that, like you said, America is improving on everything far far more then any other country... including basically every item you mentioned.

Consumer Base is a poor explination when you consider the fact that the US once again, spends more and achives more in research then the rest of the world combined. 


Actual on topic coming in the next post.  Though i'm done with this part, since it's off topic and I don't need to be strawmanned in offtopic arguements.