What does being athiest mean to you?

[SvennoJ]

VXIII said:

Chrizum said:

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Chrizum said:

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sapphi_snake said:

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oldschoolfool said:

VXIII said:
Believing is hard , it's a very deep and complicated idea , as if you can actually see God in everything around you, believing isn't some kind of choice you make.

Being atheist is like choosing the easy path, you are atheist because you can't really believe , that's how I see it

It's not choosing the easy path,it's called reality. I don't need to follow some religion are some pretend god to make myself feel better.

You don't need to follow anything to believe , I didn't mention any religions .

And what reality ? , it depends on how you choose to see reality , I can see many things around me that are too impressive and wonderful to exist without some kind of genius "mind" behind them.. DNA for example , it's like what happens in our lives.. it's impossible to achieve a great success or make a great thing by chance , you need to work hard to make it happen ... it's really simple to me .

It's actually not impossible at all. Is it probable? No. But possible? Definately. You also shouldn't view the world as an 'achievement' or a 'success'. No one created it, and for all we know, life can be a sort of cancer of the Universe.

We are not talking about a single thing that happened , we are talking about a precis and very complicated system , it is impossible for such a system to exist and last by a mere chance . The world exist therefor it's some kind of achievement that's how things works in our reality , never went home and found a new laptop by chance :p , anyway I think I made my thoughts clear and I'm not trying to convince anybody.

No one in his right mind would say the world as we know it was created by mere chance. It was created by logical cause-effect processes during billions of years.

True , but how did that logical processes happened ... by chance , such things need some kind of planing and acting behind them , that's what I'm saying :)

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I'd also reply to Netyaroze if my english was helping, It's hard for me , I think I'm done here.

Why do these processes need planning and acting behind them?

Look around you , your PC was made by logical cause-effect processes , was there someone behind it or was it by chance that some materials formed the parts such as motherboard and ram -because some kind of explosion- , and the all parts somehow got together perfectly, then also by chance a DVD was formed and has some kind of data that happened to run perfectly on that PC so you'd be able to play Half-Life2. chance can't make a perfect and precise system . I really hope that I made my point clear

BTW that of course brings a very valid question "How God was created then?", the answers to that are always personal conclusions , that God isn't bound by the the same natural laws that we have in our reality  , cause-effect process must have been started at some point , that point is God

Hope you don't mind me dropping in, but that's a perfect example of the problems you run in to when you are just looking at the end product. Man did not sit down and design the modern pc to play half-life 2. First we started playing with electricity, then figured out how to put switches in succession and how to make automatons. As well we figured out how to capture sound waves onto rolls of wax. From there it's evolution on steroids, going a million times faster. Good ideas thrive, while bad ones quickly become obsolete.

Chance is only a small part of evolution, competition is key.

A bit more on topic "cause-effect process must have been started at some point , that point is God" Does that mean you are calling the big bang, God? As far as science goes the questions what was before the big bang or where did the big bang happen are meaningless, since the current theory is that space and time were formed in the big bang leading to cause-effect processes.

I don't believe in god personally but also believe whether there is or is no God can't be proven. I think the same applies to free will and determinism. How can you be sure that 'you' are making decisions or that cause-effect is making them for you based on external influences adding up until you take action. The brain is evolved to find patterns and explanations to lead to better predictions and planning for better survival. Are we just witnissing this process or do you actually make decisions. How can you prove one or the other. Is there a difference.