Woe to the nations that mess with Israel

[Joelcool7]

chocoloco said:

Joelcool7 said:

chocoloco said:

Straight out of wikapedia the most reliable source on the internet. Once again, the rational thinking of science blows away the crazy rants of nut jobs and trouble makers.

Now I agree the main post was pretty whacked out. Your scientific logic doesnt' nescessarily prove him wrong. Since God created the US he could have easily created it in a way that the US would get the most Tornado's. You see the Bible which he believes in says that God knows all and sees all. So if he knew the US was going to do something to Israel, he could have easily built these punishments into its geographical landscape.

I'm not saying your wrong, just saying science won't prove him so. The only way to really talk to a religious person (Who you refer to as a nutjob) is if you understand the fundementals of their beliefs. If you understood the fundementals of their beliefs you'd realize science doesn't prove them wrong.

Also this science won't stop any nut jobs or trouble makers anymore then my science and faith would stop athiest nut jobs. You have to understand their beliefs and that you have no chance in hell of changing those beliefs without first understanding the logic behind them.

First off Joel, I will make this clear to you since you think I have no understanding of Christianity. Unlike many of the agnostics/ atheists on this site I was actually raised Christian and prayed to god every night until I was 14. Of course eventually, I developed the ability to think abstractly and examined my religious beliefs and decided there was no reason to believe in them.

Very similiar to me, except I was about 10 when I decided God wasn't real or at least not Christ. I spent the next two years researching other religions and beliefs both Theist and Athiest. I read huge hunks of the Qur'an as well as Buddhist texts etc...etc... went to the Sihk Temple in my city and visited a Synagogue. I really decided to find out the truth for myself.

The only difference really is when I was twelve I came back to the realization that Jesus was God. In the end I had come up with three main religious views which I found to be logical (Not that your views are illogical) and in the end I had three to pick from. Catholicism, Judiasm and Protestant Christianity. In the end I chose my own fourth option (Christianity).

What do I mean, I mean I am not Protestant nor am I Catholic. I am non-denominational. I chose a church but attended mutliple church's at a time. I built my own beliefs based around the Bible and instead of believing anything I was told every decision I make in life I research in both my Bible and using my own mind.

I'm not that much unlike yourself. Since I too lost my faith, only difference is I refound it and you found a new belief. But both of us chose our beliefs freely and based on our own research and moral foundations.

It's sorta cool that both of us entered that phase of not knowing and not believing around the same age. I wonder how many other Christian's Muslim's , Jews and even Athiests and such find their own views. So many these days just believe what their parent's have taught them or what their proffessors or teachers teach them. Rather then finding their own beliefs.

Infact I ran into a Christian not to long ago who told me they were beginning to wonder if God existed. Instead of saying yah he exists I told the person to go out and form their own beliefs. I told them specifically that simply believing what they are told is not belief at all. If they want to truly have faith they must go out into the world and come to terms with their own beliefs. I later got alittle balled out by another Christian, but I found my own beliefs and I think every single person on earth should as well. Its not healthy to just believe something because your told to, you need to come to those beliefs yourself.