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EdHieron on 03 August 2011
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EdHieron said:

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1.)  THIS WILL BE MY LAST RESPONS TO THIS TOPIC SINCE AS YOURE TOO MUCH OF A HATEFULL AND DELUSIONAL PERSON TO BE RASOND WITH IN THIS TOPIC


 

Actually, what I said was that 40 to 50% of the world either believe in no god or a god that is in no way connected to Christianity because the other 40 to 50% believes in Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism( ie. Gods not connected to Christianity or no gods at all.  the info is contained in this video beginning around the 22:40 minute mark -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQRG-xsw3kM ).

2.)  Hinduists beleive in God as well, buddhist beleive in spiritual life and higher power, only a small minority of sad, angry and hateful people like you are atheists in the world. There are less than 15% of them and that is counting agnostics. Most of the world is theistic and kuch less atheistic as you think it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country

 

I know full well what the major claims of Christianity are and science has discredited almost all of them.  Really the only one that science hasn't discredited is the one about the return of Jesus, but you know, the religionists keep moving the goal posts on that one.  Your statement that science hasn't proven the existence of the universe is one of the stupidest statements that I've ever heard.  And actually, the vast majority of elite scientists (well over 85%) reject the notion that any kind of god or supreme being exists.  The information is also contained in this video -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQRG-xsw3kM

3.)  Yup, you still dont have a single clue what a major claim of Christianity is. Major claim of Christianity is based from moral standpoint, it has something to do with morals and lifestyle, it has nothing to do with either science or the world around us. You just dont know anything about the religion you hate so much, do you?And science hasnt proven how universe is created, there are just bunch of thoeries and most of them come to the point where Universe had some sort of prime mover (GOD) which started it all. Evrything (inlcuding time itself) can not come out of nothing. and TheAmazingAtheist is your source now? That neck bearded fat pasty overfed underfucked basment dwelwing perma virgin? Getting little desperate now? As for scientists, lots of them DO BELEIVE in God, you just dont want to acknowledge the fact.Here is an actual REAL source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion#Religion_and_science

 

4.) I already debunked this in my other post on which you choose to ingore. Look up on couple of pages back. Jesus Christ of Nazareth did historically exist. Itsa fully proven historical fact, that fundamentalist atheist like yourself really try their best to avoid.

 

 

 

Actually, whether or not Jesus was a historical person is very much under dispute as there really are no independent sources, except for a few disputed references in Josephus whom also writes in his book that Hercules was a historical figure.  And certainly even if Jesus was a historical figure there is much dispute over the events of Jesus' life and a great amount of doubt over whether anything that the Synoptic Gospels Mark, Mathew, Luke, and John contained in the New Testament (the first of which wasn't written until 30 to 40 years after Jesus' death -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxh0pC6CT7Q ) had to say about him really had any basis in truth.  As a matter of fact the most reputable authorities on the subject The Jesus Seminar actually think that a Gnostic book like The Gospel of Thomas might be much more in line with what Jesus really had to say than anything contained in the Bible.  And really the only hard physical evidence that Jesus ever existed is his supposed crypt ( containing his remains) in the Jerusalem Museum even though most authorities dispute that as well.

5.) Havent I already given non-biblical source for the historic existance of Jesus Christ? If I didnt let me do it agian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0  Watch  all 4 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqlFkGaDV_M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qUcXXbde4w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGb3pOq8ihc&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

6.)  There is no dispute for Jesus christ being amyth that wasnt already been disputed by scholars. Zeitgeist is a prime example. I dont know why atheists like yourself try so hard to disprove him, when most scholars, both biblical and non biblical would agree he edxiste. Weather his deity as  son God was true is debatable and non proven for now

 

 7.)  Oh you definitevly hate them, dont even try to deny that. And again, you judge whole group of people by the actions of small minority. And you want Christians to move beyond Christian beliefs? So what exactly makes them Christian then? And let me say this, you have a an extremly wrong and ignorant view of christian beleifs. Slave system, seriously?  Christianity is the most liberal religion out of all abrahamic religions. But a person like you probably doesnt know jack shit about Christianity and only sees and hears what it wants to see and hear.

 

No, I don't hate them.  I know they're wrong and that their beliefs are detrimental to society.  It doesn't mean I hate them.  I probably do hate their beliefs as they are wrong and detrimental to society, but that doesn't mean I hate the people that hold them.  I know quite a bit about Christianity.  I studied it at the university level in a real university what about you and I received excellent marks in my classes on the subject what about you?

8.)  In my opinnion, your beleifs are million times more dangerous, not only for a socitey but for the whole planet, seeing as you would like to persecute a group of 2.2 billion people and ban their freedom. As for my knowldge of christianty, I started learning about ever since I was 8 for all kinds of books and sources. And my priest, who has studied christianty for whole his life helped me quite the bit.

Oh well, all of your points are moot.  Christianity is exactly as I've described it a descendant of the Ancient Egyptian slave religion that is a very negative force in the 21st Century.  I know you like to think that your religion isn't bad because that continues to allow you to feel good about it,  however, it is the religion's foundational document itself that advocates killing and discriminating against others and continuing wars between various tribes until the end of time.  Check out The Amazing Atheist and Robert Price videos that I've linked to maybe they will help you to  see the light as the old saying has it.

9.)  You actually ignroed most of my points, Christianity is in ALL ways different from egyptian religions (as such evidence can be seen in elliot's Nesch final part of Zeitgeits's rebuttal) the only thing that is similar to it are symbolics. And thats hardl relevant to prove one religion wrong,as you so hardly seek. And I do not need to justify my religion for the 2000000th time to a hateful person like yourself




1.)  You're the delusional one buddy as you're the one that insists on believing in a god that there's no evidence for.

2.)  Hinduists definitely don't believe in your god and neither do Buddhists only Jews, Christians, and Muslems do.

 3.) As Carl Sagan said if one insists that God always existed one can insist that the universe always existed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0) .

4.)  Most reputable scholars, you know not the ones that graduated from Bible Colleges, are actually very much in disagreement about the historical facts of Jesus life.  Just because a person exists that doesn't prove any of the claims made about them are real especially when they're only written 40 years later and incorporate elements of other legends to build up their own legend.  Many reputable scholars do doubt the historicity of Jesus.  I really only accept Jesus' existence because his tomb with his bone chips and ashes are in it in the Jerusalem Museum.  The fact that his bone chips and ashes are in it don't really speak for the fact if of his empty tomb and resurrection from the dead however (  http://www.deism.com/jesusexist.htm ) .

 

5.) I watched it already it's mainly just Christian propaganda as I wrote before.  It even insists that Moses wrote The Torah which no serious scholar ( unless they're a graduate from a Bible College ) gives any credence to any more.

 

6.) You actually made a good point at the end which is what I've been saying all along that even if Jesus was a real person everything about his portrayal in the Bible is very much disputed.

 

7.)  It is a slave system.  It puts mental blinders on its adherents and teaches not to really push for beneficial changes in their lives as Jesus will according to them return soon and give them mansions and cadillacs and eternal life so they don't need better health care.

8.)  Actually I just want to liberate Christians from their beliefs which would be for the betterment of them and everyone else.  You know they wouldn't be trying to prevent other folks from being as happy as they could be without their religious beliefs calling for sanctions on others that don't even subscribe to their beliefs ie. pagans, gays, etc or their insisting upon supporting mindless tribal wars over a comparatively worthless scrap of land in the Middle East.  If they absolutely have to have their beliefs then I have no problem with their doing as Jesus advocated and worshipping in the privacy of their own closets as long as their kids are taught about real world truth you know like evolution instead of about how some god based on earlier Mesopotamian gods made man fully formed out of clay.

 

9.) Christianity is exactly the same thing.  Both groups believe in a non existent  afterlife and that if they behave in a certain way they will go there and this belief is very much to both groups' detriment egs. hauling stones up pyramids in veneration of the king and killing yourselves in thousands of numbers in the process or refusing improvements to your health care system because you think Jesus will somehow return someday soon and bring you all the good things your lacking for following his commandments so they work theirr lowly little lives in passive acceptance in fast food restaurant kitchens across America while failing to do much good for themselves or others in the process.