Putin: US is economic parasite on the global economy

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badgenome said:

superchunk said:
@osamanobama

I love how the current Republicans are so much anti-Obama that they completely forgot everything that happened before Obama got into office.

We had a SURPLUS when Clinton left. A FUCKING SURPLUS. Then from 2001 to 2008 the Republicans did everything in their power to massively grow government and triple the national debt. Why the hell weren't they clamoring for cuts back then to increase our way to a debt free nation? Why the hell was the first thing they did was to lower revenue and kill any chance we had at ridding the nation of this debt?

A completely pointless war.
A massive reduction in our personal rights.
A completely unnecessary and pointless tax cut that primarily helped the rich and the corporations.

Then when the economy collapsed due to many other conditions, Bush and the republicans started the windfall of payouts. They were already penned and ready to be cashed BEFORE Obama came into office. He only continued them as all the economists as well as people on both sides of the isle kept saying it was the right choice. Well, history hasn't said y or n on that one yet.

Now, all you guys scream is how its all Obama's fault. He was given the biggest shit position possible in the last, I am not even sure how many presidencies, yet its his fault?!

All I've seen since he came into office is a massive increase in Republican partisanship, extremism, and hatred. This last debt debacle proves this perfectly as Obama has continuously tried to be flexible and back of his original desires to make Republicans happy. Yet, even when they produced a one-sided argument it didn't pass their own extremist group.

I'm agree we need some big cuts and reform. However, the reforms needed will never pass the rich-protecting Republicans. On top of that we must remove the idiotic cuts from 2000 to greatly increase our revenue.

I don't see how you can claim it won't help, when it was giving us a surplus in 2000. Times have changed and republicans have massively grown the government. However, those increased revenues will also even that out.

I bet you still think Obama was born in Kenya and a secret Muslim, huh?

The problem is, you are easily as anti-Republican as osamanobama is anti-Democrat. First, you laud Clinton for giving us a surplus (what, no love for the Republican Congress who forced his hand?), but the only way we ever ran a "surplus" under Clinton was to raid Social Security. Debt that the government owes itself is still debt, and from 1998-2000 when the budget was "balanced" our debt still did nothing but increase, albeit at a slower rate.

Then, Bush and teh Republikkkinz created this massive shitstorm for poor Obama to inherit despite the fact that (1) at his big spending worst, Bush was dealing with a Democratic Congress, one which (2) included Obama who, as a guy who unfailingly voted the party line, joined the majority of Democrats in voting for all the bad shit Bush wanted, and (3) these problems were hardly foisted on Obama anyway, as he basically begged and pleaded for the nation to give him the chance to solve all the problems with his Constitutional Scholar™ brilliance and astonishing lack of real world work experience.

I won't even get into how Democrats helped Republicans hollow out civil liberties, or how with their supermajorities in Congress they failed to restore any of them despite all their pissing and moaning about 1984 this and police state that. Suffice to say, the problem with Obama isn't that he is a secret Muslim but rather that he's an explicit incompetent in the mold of his predecessor.

You're right. My post is all republican when there are plenty of dems that went along with the them. However, using that chart above in this same thread, the Senate was always under republican control through Bush's years and Obama was only a senator for the last two. So, from this point of view, I still think its completely clear that the republicans arranged all that I stated in my post. Yes, the dems should have definitely pushed back harder during Bush's years as well as forgo the push for healthcare reform in their two years as supermajority with Obama and instead fixed many of these other issues.

My point was to remind those of event they clearly forgot.. not necessarily to lay all blame on republicans. I actually vote for whomever simply appears to be the best candidate, ignoring parties. However, I really do laothe the entire Tea Party and think they are extreamists in every way.