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[Joelcool7]

fordy said:

the Bill of Rights is there to ensure equal rights for ALL citizens, and if you've read into it, marriage is considered a right. So tell me, why should the government be forced to enact upon a religion that does not effect the entire nation? That is a move that's considered unconstitutional.

Here's my stance. Marriage is a right that ANY two consenting people should be allowed to make. Pastors have a right to refuse marrying gays, but only if those pastors are private (ie. paid for by attendees only). After all, they have right to deny a service

However, if it's a civil servant, paid for by the people's taxes, who is denying it, then they should immediately be sacked. Government services are meant to be there for all people, not just a select few in a group. their religious rights arent being violated, they're free to practise their religious rights in another job, one that does not hinder their job description.

As for the rest of your flawed arguments, I'll leave the rest up to this guy:

http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Audio/Rants/2rant-gay_marriage.mp3

 

By the way, government could be a lot nastier to religion if it needed to.  Just be thankful that they've been so soft on them. I personally believe they're too soft on them, after 1000 years of Dark Ages and persecution of science. Let's start by removing their tax exemption. If clubs and pubs have to be taxed, religion should, too.

Bill of rights as in the American Bill of Rights? I have no clue whats in the American bill of rights. But Marriage to my knowledge in not in the Declaration of rights in the Canadian Constitution. Since I am Canadian I see things through my countries perspective and to be honest just because the US has a specific law doesn't mean Canada should stick to it, I mean heck we fought America in war as an enemy in the past why should we follow all of America's laws.

Where in the Canadian Constitution or Declaration of Rights does it say that Marriage is a right to all citizens? Who said Marriage is a right? I don't recall it ever being listed as one, here in Canada health care is a right that all citizens have, but the US doesn't so does that mean the US should change its health care system because its a Canadian right?

(The "Constitution of Canada" is claimed to be the "supreme law of Canada" and states that "...Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law...". God is the ultimate legislative authority on the lawful definition of marriage in the Dominion of Canada.  The laws of God are supreme in the Dominion of Canada.)

The Laws of God are supreme in the dominion of Canada.

Now you are obviously uneducated in the Canadian Constitution or our Declaration of rights, because nowhere does it say that Marriage is a right. Now through seperation of church and state and recent court rulings it has been decided that the Canadian Government has authority over marriage and it is no longer a religious practice. But that in itself is unconstitutional.

Here's my stance, two consenting adults living together under one roof regardless of sexual orientation should be allowed to have a union. That union should be treated the same as a marriage by Government. A pastor has every right to deny service to a gay couple and all civil servents should have the right to practice their religious beliefs, their are plenty of civil servents who do not share those beliefs.

As for your whole Government is taking it too easy on religious beliefs. I'm sorry but like the gay marriage thing, Athiests and such make up such a small segment of the population, why do they deserve the right to rule the country and lord their beliefs over those who don't agree with their theories?

Fact is Marriage is not a right, if it was I'd be married by now I mean if its my right to get married then I deserve to get married but nobody loves me like that, so maybe I should force a lady into an arranged marriage I mean it is my right isn't it? Marriage is not a right its a privelage. Infact marriage isn't considered a right in the US constitution either, you calling me on not knowing my constitution, I just realized Marriage is not a right in the US constitution either nor in your Australian Constitution infact marriage was first mentioned in yours in 1961.

Marriage is not a right in any of our three constitutions or declaration of rights or Bill of rights etc..etc.. If I'm wrong I would love to see evidence that Marriage is actually called a right in my country your country or the United States of America?

As for a civil servent being paid by peoples taxes that doesn't mean that they do not have religious rights. You can't force someone to do something against their will. Especially since most of these civil servents got the job before gay marriage was passed, they never agreed to marry gay couples and they shouldn't be forced. You can't change someones job description and then fire them for having a belief different to you.

My argument is, if gay marriage is legal which it is. Their are plenty of civil servents and pastor's who would be glad to marry a gay couple. Why force those who have religious beliefs to do so?