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[Joelcool7]

fordy said:

Joelcool7 said:

Also civil servents have the right to their religious beliefs as well.

I'll illustrate this another way. A vegetarian who works for a company is brought to a BBQ. At that BBQ everyone in the company eats meat they ask the Vegetarian to eat a hot dog, the Vegetarian doesn't want to eat the hot dog and declines, so that Vegetarian is then fired for declining the hot dog.

Hah, they're entitled to their religious beliefs, but should not be allowed to push them onto others.

In order to reword your analogy, your stance implies that the vegeterian doesn't eat the hotdog and then starts to forbid others from eating hotdogs too. See how it works?

Joelcool7 said:

Their are plenty civil servents and pastor's who would be fully willing to do a gay marriage, so why force those with opposing beliefs to do them? Infact why change the definition of a word because a minority group finds the word offensive?

Can you make up your mind? Are you against gays gettng married, or forcing people to marry gays? Personally, I'm against the second one. However, if this is a civil servant, paid by the government who has to cater to the rights of EVERYBODY, I'd call that not being able to do your job properly.

Joelcool7 said:

Canada, USA, Britian we are all democracies that supposedly respect free will and freedom's of religion and speech. Seperation of church and state does not mean that religious people shouldn't have any Government rights. Also a minority group in a democracy does not have the right to change the laws against the majority of people's views.

See, you really should do your research. That's the difference between a Democracy and a Republic. The US constitution has what is known as a Bill of Rights, which are there to protect the rights of civilians, INCLUDING THOSE IN THE MINORITY. Hence why Prop 8 was overturned, as the judge declared it....you guessed it....unconstitutional.

Well I'll reply in order. Christian pastors and civil servents aren't forcing anyone to do anything by not being willing to marry a gay couple. Them having their own belief is in no way persecuting or forcing their beliefs on anyone. They are simply practicing their own religious beliefs.

As for my actual stance on gay marriage and forcing people to go against their religious beliefs and marry gay couples. I disagree with both.

A) I think Gay Union's should have been passed in the form pruposed by Stephen Harper. Gays should have been treated as equals but not at the cost of religious freedom's and rights.

B) Now that gay marriage is law I am incredibally upset that civil servents and pastor's get forced to marry gay couples. That is wrong and a form of persecution.

How does that work. A civil servent choosing not to do a gay marriage is not forcing anything on anyone. Its not like that civil servent is demanding all civil servents don't have gay marriages they are simply saying that they believe differently and aren't willing to give up their beliefs. Like my great grandpa who was drafted but was mennonite, they gave him a gun and sent him to the front, but as a mennonite he was a pacifist and refused to fight. Now his job was a soldier but he stood by his beliefs. Just because you have a job, doesn't mean you should have to sell out your beliefs to work at that job.

Does everyone who works at McDonalds have to stuff their faces with fast food, or everyone at a Beer or cigerette company have to be an alchoholic or smoker. Infact those are all jobs where the main goal is to produce fast food and beer.

Fact is you shouldn't force your beliefs on anyone, its unconstitutional.

Ummm Canada has the Charter of rights and freedoms. Much like the US's constitution not to mention our own Constitution. But guess what the Constitution was passed into law by democratically elected leaders, with the support of the Canadian people. Brought in by the majority not a minority.

Now sure in a democracy we protect the rights of minorities but not at the cost of the rights for the majority.

In the end I am against Gay married and forcing people to conduct them. I am against gay marriage to begin with but if its legalized as it has been then I am against forcing civil servents or pastorsto marry gay couples. Its like I said with my grandpa in the war, he was given a gun and sent to the front but he refused to fight, he had every right to do so, if your job violates your rights then you have no obligation to follow that job.

Its like if a job demands you convert to another religion or be fired, or a job that demands a vegetarian starts eating meat or get fired. Or a man is drafted into the army but refuses to fight because they are a pacifist. Everyone has the right to practice their beliefs.