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osamanobama said:
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EdHieron said:


I guess you would prefer it if they were teaching their students that the myths in the Bible were true and that they were indoctrinating their students into a Randian philosophy or to be complacent slaves to those with more money?


Being that I'm an agnostic with 2 degrees, I believe that the discussion or study of any religion should be restricted to the department of religious studies, the discussion or study of any political ideology or movement should be restricted to political science or history, and the discussion of economic systems should be restricted to the department of economics. Beyond that, the bulk of departments in the humanities and social sciences which have been introduced over the past 60 (or so) years that typically have the suffix “studies” should be seriously evaluated to determine whether they meet the academic rigor people expect from an institution of higher learning; or whether (as their critics would claim)  they’re simply the home of political figures who use their position to add credibility to their cause and indoctrinate students in their beliefs.


However when you're talking about politics in the United States you have to talk about Fundamentalist Christianity because it is inextricably connected to Conservative political beliefs.  See how 70% of Christians that voted in 2010's elections voted for Conservative Tea Party Candidates and how the policies of many of those that are running for President on the Conservative ticket have a quite heavy handed attachement to Fundamentalist Christian ideals Bachmann, Palin (probably running), Rick Perry (probably running, (Romney is a Mormon which is certainly a more fundamentally oriented branch of Christianity than the more liberal brands -- which really don't tend to have much influence in how politics play out in the US).

Now the people that embrace these ideals do have the power to steer American politics in a fascist direction as many of the people that follow these politicians also have a vested interest  (that mainly stems from their Christian beliefs) in controlling the actions of other Americans ie. trying to repeal women's rights to obtain abortions and denying gays the right to marry.  All these types of actions stem from the fascist nature of Fundamentalist Christianity which demands that everyone kowtows to the whims of their human made God.

even though im sure youre legitametly concerned that the people advocating for a smaller government, one that stays out of their lives, and is very restricted in what its job is, will form a fascist regime. because after all, thorughout history, oppressive dictatorships come from small governments and it is small governments that throw people into prison camps, cesnor speech, have forced labor, fixed wages, equal results mentality. but i wont comment on that part.

but i will talk about the bolded. i have a guestion about that. When did it become a right for people to murder? i must have missed the memo, is it a new ammendment, i thought it was illegal to kill.


1)Although when it comes to military and invading other countries, torturing people without good evidence, or domestic spying - the conservatives seem to throw the "small government" idea out the window.  2)PATRIOT act is sure a symbol of small government.  3)Also, the government telling me when and where I can drink and consume alcohol (outside of drinking and driving since that should be illegal for obvious reasons) is sure small govenrment. That was something I didn't have to deal with when living in Japan. 4) We also top the world in incarceration rates here in the US.  To me, that's anything but small government.

1)going to war, eliminating threats to our national security. our government has the obligation to do that. also when have we ever tortured anybody. could point me to any proof that we have. as far as any citizen in America knows, we havent.

2)who says im for that? also that happened under Bush, hardly a conservative figure that matches the tea party beliefs, im not talking about establishment "conservatives" (who as far as i know havent come close to resembling anything close to a fascist regime when in power for those many years), im talking about new up and coming conservative movement, the one that is actually changing the swamp that is washington. tea party people.

3)what does that have to do with conservatives, yet alone tea party ones. usually, almost always, its liberal trying to regulate where, when, how often you can drink, smoke, and what food you can eat.

4)what does people breaking the law, and going to jail, have to do with conservatives forming a fascist regime


1)  If Bush hadn't shifted focus from dealing with the 9/11 terrorists (Afghan / Pakistan) who actually attacked our country to Iraq, you would have a point.  When Obama came in, we shifted focus again.  We have also had many wars in the past that had little to do with our national security. Look into the Phillipines.

Are you saying Gitmo and Guantanamo bay (things we wouldn't have allowed other nations to do) did not happen?  I suppose FOX news doesn't like to portray any actions that the military does in a negative light ever.

2)  The Tea Party as a basic platform isn't so bad.  IT's too bad that most of the members aren't questioning things like the PATRIOT Act.  Many of the members are not consistent with their basic ideas. 

3)  Ever heard of Blue Laws?  When I lived in Colorado, we couldn't buy alcohol on Sunday due to being a Church day (that was the intent of the law). 

4)  Many people are in prison for victimless crimes - such as marijuana posession.  If we put racial statistics in there (likelihood of blacks to be given time for the same crime while whites would be let off on probation), that's a whole another area to not get into. 

 

 



"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."  --Hermann Goering, leading Nazi party member, at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials 

 

Conservatives:  Pushing for a small enough government to be a guest in your living room, or even better - your uterus.