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EdHieron on 21 July 2011
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osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
HappySqurriel said:
EdHieron said:


I guess you would prefer it if they were teaching their students that the myths in the Bible were true and that they were indoctrinating their students into a Randian philosophy or to be complacent slaves to those with more money?


Being that I'm an agnostic with 2 degrees, I believe that the discussion or study of any religion should be restricted to the department of religious studies, the discussion or study of any political ideology or movement should be restricted to political science or history, and the discussion of economic systems should be restricted to the department of economics. Beyond that, the bulk of departments in the humanities and social sciences which have been introduced over the past 60 (or so) years that typically have the suffix “studies” should be seriously evaluated to determine whether they meet the academic rigor people expect from an institution of higher learning; or whether (as their critics would claim)  they’re simply the home of political figures who use their position to add credibility to their cause and indoctrinate students in their beliefs.


However when you're talking about politics in the United States you have to talk about Fundamentalist Christianity because it is inextricably connected to Conservative political beliefs.  See how 70% of Christians that voted in 2010's elections voted for Conservative Tea Party Candidates and how the policies of many of those that are running for President on the Conservative ticket have a quite heavy handed attachement to Fundamentalist Christian ideals Bachmann, Palin (probably running), Rick Perry (probably running, (Romney is a Mormon which is certainly a more fundamentally oriented branch of Christianity than the more liberal brands -- which really don't tend to have much influence in how politics play out in the US).

Now the people that embrace these ideals do have the power to steer American politics in a fascist direction as many of the people that follow these politicians also have a vested interest  (that mainly stems from their Christian beliefs) in controlling the actions of other Americans ie. trying to repeal women's rights to obtain abortions and denying gays the right to marry.  All these types of actions stem from the fascist nature of Fundamentalist Christianity which demands that everyone kowtows to the whims of their human made God.

even though im sure youre legitametly concerned that the people advocating for a smaller government, one that stays out of their lives, and is very restricted in what its job is, will form a fascist regime. because after all, thorughout history, oppressive dictatorships come from small governments and it is small governments that throw people into prison camps, cesnor speech, have forced labor, fixed wages, equal results mentality. but i wont comment on that part.

but i will talk about the bolded. i have a guestion about that. When did it become a right for people to murder? i must have missed the memo, is it a new ammendment, i thought it was illegal to kill.

 

Those people are actually advocating for a government that only supports the rights of the wealthy and promotes the rich's ability to run their businesses entirely as they see fit without much concern for the welfare of the poorer citizens and the workers in this country.

And most Americans don't believe in that as Obama wouldn't have been elected if they did.  However, a significant amount of Americans are actually easy to control by mind control operations like Fox News and the Religious Wrong and they don't really feel that they need to push for anything that would really benefit them (see a healthcare program that allows workers in this nation to have far better health insurance and benefits than their minimum wage jobs will give them access to because they think Jesus will return shortly and bring them all Cadillacs and Mansions.  And that is precisely the way the ancient slave system; that is the Judeao-Christian religion and that is descended from the Egyptian one that saw thousands of slaves without proper regulations being in place haul massive stones up the Pyramids in Egypt and kill themselves in great numbers in the process just to please their equally nonexistent gods, works that the Egyptian forebears of the modern Fundamentalist Christian workers also thought would give them cushy positions in the nonexistent afterlife).

Neither did the Founding Fathers believe in totally unregulated bosses allowing themselves to set themselves up  as Kings in this country as they threw the King out of here that was trying to tax the common man unfairly, and that's all that these wealthier than thou people in positions of power that hardly have to pay an equal percentage of their income in taxes in comparison to the lowest paid workers in this nation perceive themselves to be ie. kings.

Show me on current lawbooks where abortion is listed as murder.  Until fetuses reach a certain age, then they can hardly be said to be human (as following the old dictum phylogeny recapitulates ontogeny which demonstrates quite clearly that humans are animals about like any others and have to pass through various nonhuman stages on their way -- also strong evidence for evolution -- to becoming human babies ), so until they reach that stage, the removal of a fetus or fetuses being harvested for stem cell research can't be said to be murder.