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Dr.Grass on 19 July 2011
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padib said:
Dr.Grass said:
padib said:
Rath said:

Evolution requires millions of years, the universe is billions of years old - as I said they are on quite different scales.

I know. I understood Rath. What I meant was that the numbers have constantly grown over the ages, 


I'm going to throw a spanner in the works now...

Your statement there is false... Vedic (Indian/Hindu) Cosmology describes the lifespan of the universe as 311 trillion 40 billion years. According to the texts we are about half-way through this current universe. That puts the age of the Universe according to the Vedas as 150 trillion years. That's significantly more than anyone has ever stated. Note that this is the oldest complete cosmology known to man.

Interestíngly, the last sub-creation happened around 6 billion years ago according to these texts, which agrees perfectly with scientific measurement of the age of our solar system. Just for reference, this is done using Uranium dating methods. It's quite a simple technique and I've done the calculations and measurements myself.

Okay, but I was referring to modern cosmology within modern science history. Say, the record of the last 400 years.

Yes, but I believe 'young earth' arguments should be made in a seperate place. Look, I am of the opinion that most people in this world have such incredibly messed up belief systems that I reeeaaally don't look down on someone for believing this. Some things I believe in will seem just as crazy to you.

However, where it does become an issue for me is when this rather radical viewpoint is proposed as the main antithesis to full-blown atheism. That's what I feel happens when you bring the 5000 year old earth theory in here, and I firmly believe that I could give more worthwhile arguments than the one's in your discussion above.

Furthermore, look what I did with my quote above. Immediately you feel estranged because I'm citing something 'non-Christian', but you don't consider that I have to cringe every time I read 5000 year old earth. I'd rather just spend my energy giving arguments against science-fanboys than wasting energy on that.

Dunno if you get what I'm trying to say(?).