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osamanobama on 19 July 2011
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sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:
sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:

liberals (in america) are completely inconsistant in what they value as rights, it constintly changes in order to gain a bigger voter base. they pander and change just so they can get votes.

and in our country our rights are God given, not by government

Welcome to general politics. And in your country your rights are given by the Government. No religion is promoted, nor any deity endorsed.


perhaps you should read up on our founding documents. religion is an entegril part of it. and they specifically say our rights are God given. not by government, becasue gevernment is made up of men, and if the rights are given by man, they can be taken away.

ps: separation of church and state isnt in our constitution, no where.

the first amendment was made to protect religion from government. also did you know it is lawful for states to have a state religion. also its not freedom from religion (which you would very much like to have, well really only christianity). its freedom of religion. 

You shouldn't take "god given" literally. Which god? The Christian god? Isn't that endorsing a religion? Such an argument would also be terribly weak, as it depends on the acception of the religion where the god who gives rights exists in.

Rights are abstract concepts created by humans. The Government is the instance in charge of giving people rights and protecting such rights. Without a Government you have no rights.

You also seem to have a problem with the concept of "freedom of religion". It means that you have the freedom to practice any religion you want, while simoltaneously being free FROM practicing religions you don't want to follow (in other words, freedom of religion implies freedom FROM the religions you don't want to follow). You cannot have freedom of religion when laws are made based on the doctrine of a particular religion, because that would include forcing people to practice a religion they may not want to follow, thus disrespecting their freedom of religion.

i wont be answering your whole post, as i already reponded about no religion.

but anyway, fro God's sake read our founding documents, it blatently says our rights our GOD given (yes from the Christian God). you can not seperate religion (speciffically christianity) from our founding and our founding fathers. they even had church services in congress