What is your honest opinion on the Forza Franchise? Compeditor to GT?

[sales2099]

CGI-Quality said:

sales2099 said:

Lol forgive the first and last paragraph then, you clearly are a educated fanboy that isnt easily baited :P

I can find people that say Forza is better and im sure you can find the same that say GT is better. But my point was that pro-Forza gamers have the Metascore on their side, a purely on-paper type of justification to say Forza is the better franchise. Not sim, franchise. Real world there is still a clear bias towards GT, largely due to its peak years on the ps1 and ps2. 

I personally think that when you look at the fast rate that Forza games come out this gen and they all come out AAA, I am merely wondering why fans such as yourself are content with your personal favourite franchise to take so long by comparison. The faster rate does give Forza the edge, simply because they update content AND dont keep the fans waiting. And to be honest its no secret GT5 lacks a lot of video game content that Forza 3 has and Forza 4 will build upon. Yes its the first to take 5 years but it seems a lot of things changed after PS3 released.

And this is purely me talking here.......I think "the real driving simulator" is kinda BS. Cause last I checked, the gameplay consists of racing other cars with the objective of winning. That sounds like racing to me. "Driving sims" consist of real world applications such as residential driving, urban driving, not racing, obeying the posted speed signs, giving other drivers the right of way. As far as im concerned, GT and Forza are both racing games. Driving is a form of racing so in that regard Forza is just as much a driving sim as GT is. Sorry if this seems way off base or condasending, it really isnt meant to be.

But as for the sales, I could technically say the combined sales of forza games released for the 360 surpass the combined full game releses of GT on PS3 this gen. Sure im pooling 2 (3 games come october) against one, but then again, thats PDs fault for slacking behind Turn 10 is making new games. Yes I realize Forza games are bundled but hey a sale is a sale. And irrelevant or not, its still comical to see a Sony fan talk sales this gen :)

Put this together for a second - your name is SALES2099, yet you harp on me just mentioning GT's sales (which play a pivotal role in this discussion - but not the only thing I've argued), as some way to claim that "Sony fans are comical mentioning sales this gen". Not only is that confusing (as we're on a "sales" website, so talking about sales is what happens here - not to mention we're just talking about the software of two titles), but it seems to be the key factor in why you continue to quote me, like it bugs you that Gran Turismo continues to sell much more than a franchise who's current status is "AAA". No, sales don't prove quality or what's "better" necessarily, but Metacritic plays a far less role than you give it credit for. Outside of the internet, what has GT5's 84 Meta score vs Forza 3's 92 Meta score really done? Give me one example of a real world, substantial impact and I'll dial back on my argument.

Bottom line, for Forza to take anything from GT, as you seem to think it has, it would need to chip away substantially at it's fanbase, i.e. sales. Although it's continued to outscore GT throughout the gen, that doesn't seem to be changing anything, so it would need something else to do so; meaning it needs to outdo GT on GT's strongest point: simulation. At this time, it doesn't.

Lastly, if you don't want to sound condescending, don't post with insults.

Again sorry I just assume people know where im coming from sometimes. You probably havent seen what ive seen on other sites. I mostly get the "sales don't matter" line from sony fans when Halo or Gears games come out and by comparison wreck the numbers any ps3 exclusive can produce. 

But on topic I do agree that sales determines "the winner" or the relevance of a game. GT has more relevance as a IP no question. However due to Forza games releasing so quickly its combined sales on 360 surpass the sales of GT5 on ps3. 

Metacritic again has little impact on mass consumer perception but again.....in a gamer debate it plays a substantial role in determining the more quality franchise. 

Honestly, it does bug me about the sales of Forza. Its a clear example of not having the brand name having a direct impact on sales....cause we all know the quality is there. If it was called Forza Turismo 4 the sales would skyrocket....and the worst part is that would probably be true. 

It just seems its mostly about dealing with a dedicated fanbase that still remembers the peak days of GT 1-4. Some brand names just get so big that even if theres a hiccup in the series it wont matter in the slightest. Forza has the entire package going for it, and hopefully Forza 4 improves on the sim aspect as well. The fanbase issue is still a problem, but objectively speaking, on paper, Forza is the better rated overall package.