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sapphi_snake on 13 July 2011
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Final-Fan said:

1.  It's a fact that they're more intelligent than you think. 

2.  Could it not be argued that getting eaten by rabbits and getting eaten by humans are also different places in the food chain? 

3.  Wrong, if you deny Kasz's idea then you cannot compare humans alone to the entire plant kingdom even disregarding (2) -- you must compare the entire plant and animal kingdoms.  Anyway I already told you that our specialness extends far beyond being the global apex predator of the moment.  And being a truly GLOBAL apex predator is already, I think, a unique thing. 

4.  I don't know how you figure we don't live interdependently with our domesticated stuff, we spread them far and wide and they thrive, and then we eat them.  We would suffer if they were gone and they would suffer if we were gone.  And in any case there is no reason to limit the food chain to "natural" ecosystems instead of including human-created ones -- it's just a description of what eats what. 

Oh and not everything depends on plants, oceanic life apparently depends mostly on algae so oceanic life (and terrestrial species that live on it, including humans) would likely survive even if plants disappeared.  This took two minutes on Wikipedia so try checking your facts next time OK? 

1. No, not when it's stille debatable whether or not what they have can even be described as "intelligence".

2. What?

3. I'm comparing different levels of the food chain with eachother. We've already been through this. Stop going in circles.

4. Domesticated animals do not belong in nature. If they can't survive in nature, they don't deserve to survive at all (survival of the fittest).

Plants are the chief suppliers of oxygen for the world. No plants >>> all earth-bound life dies. Humans would die to, if not for starvation (they'd deplete marine life soon enough), then from the lack of oxygen. Also, here's a little something that kinda puts a fork in your argument:

http://www.practical-water-gardens.com/uvch0104.htm

Also, you are aware that water is made up of oxygen, no? (H2O and all that, the oxygen from it isn't produced by algea).



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