MrBubbles said:
Allfreedom99 said:
Raido said:
Allfreedom99 said:
It seems you are ignoring what i am meaning. Regardless, we have the ability to understand, discern and use logic. This is my whole point, that the universe would not exist without intelligence. Space, time, and gravity does not possess intelligence or the ability to use Logic in and of themselves. The Universe and life cannot begin without it.
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So there has to be an intelligent designer because there is intelligence? Wow, that's a ridiculous claim...
And how did this intelligent designer came into being? Was there intelligence before? o.ô
Intelligence is something natural... It's nothing mystical!
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Call it ridiculous if you want, but IMO it makes much more sense than anything else you can explain to me. How do you explain then that we have the ability of understanding? I would like to hear your explanation for how we can have complex thought? Because I dont see how anything complex can come about at all without a higher being possessing the intelligence to create it no matter if you have 100 years or billions of years for something complex to form. I would like to hear your explanation, Raido. And did I ever say intelligence is mystical? no I did not.
The only way I can explain a higher being is to say that Its eternal and has always been in existence. Your perception of God does not allow you to believe such a being could always be in existance.
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if you accept the possibility of a being like god existing without being created, then you cannot deny the possibility of us existing without being created. you cant say we are too complex when god would be infinitely more complex.
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Again, this is all in how one perceives "God". One could say that we were designed by "god 1", also "god 1" was designed by "god 2" in the purpose of "god 1" designing the universe. Also "god 3" designed "god 2" in order for "god 2" to design "god 1" whom would then design the universe. You could essentially have a never ending cycle.
To me that would all sound like nonsense. What I am saying is that the higher power that designed the Universe the way we know it is the one and only. The source of knowledge, the source of intelligence, the source of life, the source of where everything we know in the universe began. This higher being possesses attributes farther than we can comprehend. Basically this higher power is the source of all things in existence. It comes down to one's perception of "God". IMO an ultimate God that is the source of all things makes more sense to me than any mathematical chance that includes 1 universe or trillions of universes. God makes much more sense to me than any explanation of our beginning than anything else.
