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Allfreedom99 on 11 July 2011
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Raido said:
Allfreedom99 said:

It seems you are ignoring what i am meaning. Regardless, we have the ability to understand, discern and use logic. This is my whole point, that the universe would not exist without intelligence. Space, time, and gravity does not possess intelligence or the ability to use Logic in and of themselves. The Universe and life cannot begin without it.

So there has to be an intelligent designer because there is intelligence? Wow, that's a ridiculous claim... 

And how did this intelligent designer came into being? Was there intelligence before? o.ô

Intelligence is something natural... It's nothing mystical!

Call it ridiculous if you want, but IMO it makes much more sense than anything else you can explain to me. How do you explain then that we have the ability of understanding? I would like to hear your explanation for how we can have complex thought? Because I dont see how anything complex can come about at all without a higher being possessing the intelligence to create it no matter if you have 100 years or billions of years for something complex to form. I would like to hear your explanation, Raido. And did I ever say intelligence is mystical? no I did not.

The only way I can explain a higher being is to say that Its eternal and has always been in existence. Your perception of God does not allow you to believe such a being could always be in existance.