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SqueakySamurai said:
BULLDOGG said:

what turned me off to the whole god thing. was my boss. he is a big time christian. i told him when i was young and living in California. we lived at a apartment that had a pool in the middle of it. in the year we lived there i saved not one but two toddlers from drowning. and that would get me into heaven if it exsisted. he told me if i dont accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. i would go to hell no matter what i did. then i told him his god is not so awsome as he thinks he is. if he wasnt my wifes uncle. i would probably have been fired. lol but he is a good guy as long as you dont talk religion with him.

That's true, because if all you have to do is do good things, then people would do good things just to get into heaven, therefore making it a selfish act. But Jesus Crist was crucified so you could join him in heaven, he was whipped and stabbed and tortured so you could be saved. So when he did that for you, you would have to believe that he was the son of God to get into heaven. There is no good thing that you can do that is a better deed than getting crucifed and being sent to Hell for 3 days so the very people that are murdering you can be saved.

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

It may be true but it is not moral as the christian god is claimed to be omniscient. In that case the moral thing to do would be for it to consider why you performed your good deeds. If you performed them for personal gain (whether on earth or to secure a place in heaven) then those were selfish acts and should not count. If you performed them because you thought it was the right thing to do then those were selfless acts and should count.

If a person that does the right things for the right reason does not get into heaven because they did not happen to believe in the divinity of jesus and thus did not accept him as lord and savior but another that did not do the right thing goes into heaven because they believed in jesus as their lord an savior (say, an abortion clininc bomber) then what you have is not a moral system that rewards those that deserve it and punishes those that don't but an amoral system that rewards people based on an arbitrary criteria.



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