| Kasz216 said: A) This statement is totally irrelevent to the topic at hand. C1) Except we were talking about Christianity. This whole conversation is framed around "that statement is nothing but contradictions." Outside of that, well, yes I can... and I did. Helping others is seen by all cultures as good. People have a strong pack mentality. If you think there is another culture where it was infact seen as bad to help others, feel free to show it. Well, actually you won't be able to, because if such a beleif existed, there would be no culture... since that's what culture is generally based around.. C2) You do realize that nothing here actually rebutted what I was saying right? All you've said is "Man's laws are better then gods!" I see you keep trying to spin this off into a greater debate, D) I see you don't know Eastern Orthrodox theology as well as you think. According to the Eastern orthodox church, one does not need to be Eastern Orthodox to go into heaven. Heaven and Hell are states of being in the presense of god. Those who are in gods presense who lived a good life withing him, are filled with the eternal happieness and harmony of the creator... they are in "Heaven". Those who are in gods presense who lived poorly and rejected god, live in "hell" because they know they failed their creator and strayed from their purpose in life. God doesn't send you anywhere. You end up sending yourself "there". Which isn't so much there as it is a state of being.
Also yes, immanent critique is limited to only internal criticisim. Saying a statement is nothing but contradictions is also an internal criticism. |
C1. No, this point had nothing to do with Christianity. If you interpreted it as that, that's your problem.
Outside of that, well, yes I can... and I did. Helping others is seen by all cultures as good.
You did not. The fact that all cultures see helping other as good is both false, and even if true, does not prove what I asked you to. I asked you to prove that an goodness is an intrisic quality of helping others, meaning not a quality attributed by a culture to said practice (which is sibjective, because what one culture considers to be "good", another one can consider to be "bad"). I'm waiting for you to prove that (which you cannot).
D. Hell is presented in Eastern Orthodox theology as a place of punishment, and eternal torture. God is the "great architect", he's the one that designed EVERYTHING, including the consiquence of disobeying him. So the reason people end up in hell is because he designed things that way. Never heard that "one does not need to be Eastern Orthodox to get into heaven", but one does need to believe in god, accept god, accept Jesus, respect god's commands, repent for their sins... yeah, but they don't have to actually be Eastern Orthodox. 
Also yes, immanent critique is limited to only internal criticisim.
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