Bible prophecy coming true - A One World Religious/ Economic/ Government System

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Kasz216 said:

A.  Well, YES.  It's called Immanent critque.  For a belief system to be full of contradictions, it MUST be so by it's own standards.  Though whether or not it contradicts reality is really unrelated since you've offered no proof of reality, only an equally unsupported opinion.

C1.  Again Immanent critque.  Though sure, there has never been a culture or even species of animal that has not seen helping others as something that should be done and "good."  It is one of the very few concepts that is morally absolute to the point of where psychologically one has to generally distance themselves greatly from someone else before they could leave someone let be.

C3.  Again no... it's not.  If my father says to me "I wish you to be a carpeneter" but you decide not to be, you are expressing free will.  Your father has not taken away free will because he'll be mad if you aren't a carpenter.  Otherwise you may as well argue there is no such thing as free will, since nearly EVERY choice we make in life has positive or negative implications.   Do I want to go to buy a candybar or an apple?  One of those has a greater benefit then the other, that doesn't mean i'm not exercising free will if I choose one.

D)  That would only hold true if life did not impact the indivdual in anwyay.  IE, life holds no value.  Have you learned NOTHING over the entire course of your life or never changed your opinion on anything?  If god were to take Oskar Schindler into heaven before the Holocaust, would he be the same as the Oskar Schindler after the Holocaust?

Furthermore, if god did do so, it would remove a person's sense of agency which would REALLY make the whole point of seperating the faithful and nonfaithful pointless. 

You aren't thinking hard enough... the problem is you aren't using immanent critque because you've already come up with your conclusion before you started, are hellbent on being right and therefore aren't rationally thinking through the situation.

It would no doubt leave a lot of people confused and bitter, as opposed to resigned and repentful.

 

Me?  I think life is very meaningful.

A. Thing is, Christianity really is full of contradictions. Already pointed out some in this very thread.

C1. What Immanent Critique? Is it your new catch-phrase or something? We were not talking about a particular belief system. I told you to prove to me that helping others is in itself good, that it's an intrinsic quality of this act. Your claim that there has never been a culture or even species of animal that has not seen helping others as something that should be done and "good." is not only false (I remember reading an article about morality once, where it was mentioned that there was a tribe in Austrialia where things like lying, murder, and quite frankly the exact opposite of "helping others" was seen as good, plus there are several examples in the animal world of animals who do not even help members of the same species), but I fail to see why this would be proof that helping others is intrinsicly good. Going by your logic misogynism and racism are also intrisicly good, as they're present (and have been encouraged) in pretty much every culture. Try again.

C2. What does free will have to do with what I was saying? His claim was that there`s all the room for individuality and unity with God and I went on to disprove this. Also, unlike your "candies and apple example", not all actions have "positive or negative implications" that are caused by the action themselves. All the things that god labels sins aren't so because they bring bad consiquences themselves (because lots of things considered sins are not intrisicly bad, such as homosexuality), but because "god says so". There is no room for individuality if you wanna be "with god", as only there is a standard model considered "good" that people need to adhere to, in order to be "good" themsleves. Conformity and individuality don't go together. Again, I was not discussign free will at all.

D. But you are the one who is not thinking hard enough, and quite frankly, considering the terribly poor responses you're providing (that seem in places to not even have anything to do with what I'm arguing), I wonder if you're thinking at all...

Yes, life does have an impact on the individual. But god, being all knowing, already knows what this impact will be. Yes, god needs to separate the faithful and not faithful. But since god is all knowing, he already knows who was/is/will be faithful, and who will not. Look at life as a movie, with human beings as characters. God is the spectator, and he has to evaluate each character based on their actions in the movie. However god already has the screenplay, he's read it, he knows what every single thing each character will feel, think, want, desire, do, won't do, how things will affect them etc. He knows the outcome. Is there any point in seeing the movie, when all that needs to be known already is? No, there isn't. You can argue that people have free will etc., but since god is all knowing, he already knows how they will use their free will (else he would not be all knowing, which is a CONTRADICTION to Christian dogma).

You think life is meaningful? Gosh, you've convinced me with your incredible arguments. How could I have been so blid??? ... Oh, wait a minute. I see no arguments. Care to elaborate on WHY you think life is meaningful?