Bible prophecy coming true - A One World Religious/ Economic/ Government System

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Kasz216 said:

A) Man isn't inherently good... that's an opinion... and a rather pointless one when it comes to the conversation.

B) Are people who don't believe in god "bad".    No.  that's certaintly a leap of faith.

C1) I never said it was good because it was something god asks.  It's good because, it's good, you disagree that thinking about others before yourself is good.

C2) Actually, you can say something is good because god asks it.  It's not lazy so much as it is logical.  If there is one ominipotent creation god, it stands to reason that he created everything and that includes abstract concepts such as good and evil.  An all creator god could decide that raping children is good, and we would disagree, and he would be right because he is the one who has control over reality, created reality this way and holds complete knowledge of everything.

To think otherwise is to hold the logical fallacy that you are the center of the universe and the one who gets to define these abstract qualities. This is something to keep in mind even if you don't believe in an all powerful creator god as it general shows where a lot of fallacies, ignorance and stubborness comes from.  Someone placing themselves as the center of the universe.  This may be a problem you yourself are facing... afterall, look back at A.  You simply said man isn't inherently good, rather then think from the mindset that man is inherently good.  Which if you did would make the whole thing eaisly understandable.

It would be illogical to suggest that an ominpotent creation god WOULDN'T always be right.

Hence why arguements around religious literature among believers tend to focus on the trasnlation, interpretation and possibility of it being faked.

D) So in your opinion, timetravel negates the purpose of life?  Or are you talking about the Christian sense of choosing correctly?  Either way I can't see how.  That's like saying that reading the end of a book negates the point of reading the book.

A) Man is inherently good... also pointless.

C1) "It's good because, it's good"? Really? Using tautologies now?

C2) But humans are the center of the universe (our universe), and we are the ones who define abstract qualities. The reason why I reject the notion that man is inherently good, is simply because it's not verifiable, and quite frankly, disproven by real life experience. I'm quite capable of empathy, more so than most people, but I refuse to empathise with religious people.

The ideea is that an omnipotent, onmiprezent, omni-whatever god could create a universe, create all kinds of rules etc., however we are not mindless robots programed to act a certain way. We have the capability to think independently, interpret the world as we see fit, and this quite fraknly leads us often to find that the rules of the god are actually in contradiction with what we define as good for ourselves. At the end of the day "omnipotence", "all-knowing" are just impossible qualities that dictators attribut to themselves to justify their rule, and no one does it better than the "supreme dictator". These attributes are often extended to more earthly dictators, and I find this concept scary and dangerous, hence why I won't even liste nto such nonsense.

D) In my opinion, god knowing who will be "saved" and who will not, before these people even commit the respective actions kinda negates the whole purpose of life (according to Christians it's salvation, proving to god that you deserve to go to heaven, something that's obvioulsy pointless if god already knows who is gonna "be good" and go to heaven, and who is not even before the respective people are born).