lestatdark said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
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Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code.
Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now.
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It's disingenuous to say that Western Europe had a big fall because of the rise of Christianity, even though the Dark Ages coincided with it. The Church was pretty much the only vehicle keeping knowledge alive in the West (which gave them a monopoly on information that they later abused to an extent), so they deserve credit, as if the Church hadn't been around as an institution, most of that knowledge would have been lost (though it would have been reclaimed i suppose)
Plus the Church ended a few barbaric practices of pagan times. I'm not saying the Church is blameless in history, far from it, but it isn't responsible for the dark ages
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Eventually anyway... Some of that shit we've just gotten back last century.
Even then the Dark Ages weren't that dark though... granted largely thanks to the Christian Church as mentioned.
It wasn't really so much a time of "going backwords" but a time of limited foward movement... and even then there was plenty of progress made before the "Renissance".
In reality a lot of it is just framing that got spread out and blown out of proportion like culture. Like all of those "People thought the earth was flat at this time" suggestions and all kinds of shit that people think is true about history but historians will tell you is bullshit.
What people don't totally comprhend is that printing presses and computers and shit didn't exist then. It was actually fairly hard to keep information alive and well through generations, espiecally when all kinds of people died early.
It's like when Galen died, rather then those who came after him surpassing and expanding on his works, they each took parts of his work as other parts just fell away and nobody really focused on observation and expermentation... (in the west).
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Actually this part is total BS. Information was passed on and kept in massive libraries, the most important of all being the alexandrian library, which at it's peak capacity was bigger than any current library nowadays and that lasted for at least 8 centuries, until someone came and though "hey let's us burn all this pagan knowledge down because it's an affront to our beliefs".
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Er, no it isn't.
There were a FEW huge libraries... and a bunch of libraries created by the churches.
How many people had access to these huge libraries?
How many people could afford to saftely travel halfway across the country to access these libraries?
How many people could even read the books in the huge libraries?
Waaaaaaaay less then were needed to keep practice going in every day use.
Now, imagine the giant empire that protected travel across europe was destroyed... also, the empire that protected the shipments of builders and architects and whatever else...
It's kinda easy to see why the Early Dark Ages had their problems... and it had nothin to do with religion.
In general though you seem to be mistaking the historiography of the "dark ages" for the History of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29#Rational_thought_and_the_study_of_nature
