Soleron said:
Actual Socialism ------------------ European "Left" -- European Right ------------------------------------- Obama -- Bush That's the way I've always seen it. Obama is still preferable (to me) compared to any possible Republican 2012 candidate, but is clearly in the same ideological bracket as the worst of past Republican presidents in terms of economic record and civil liberties. The current opposition Republicans have shown zero willingness to actually cut spending or raise taxes. They have vague claims but they cannot name anything specific and significant they would cut. |
From my (Canadian) perspective ...
Neither Obama nor Bush (and most western leaders) could adequately be called a progressive or a conservative. Bush and Obama are corporatist/unionist-statist leaders with arbitrary stances on social issues. Regardless of the political party they belong to, these leaders expand the size and power of the government to benefit large corporations and/or unions at the expense of small companies and individuals.







