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Kasz216 said:

non-gravity said:

 

Saw this in the old thread and was supprised seeing Marx, Lenin and Stalin so far apart. 

Though I suppose Lenin and Stalin first wanted to unite the world before (maybe if they felt like giving up their power) turning it into Marx's ideal?

Marx is a tough one... Marx had an old saying....

"If this Marism, I am not a Marxist."

Marx's beliefs were built out of a dispair in which he couldn't imagine a non communist country even havin  unions as strong as we have now.  So he always thought a large uprising was needed.

Alive today Marx would likely have a totally different set of ideals.

Marx's "End game" communism was really more of a "Libretarian Utopia" then a standard socialist one.  At the end of the day, he saw communism not needing ANY government to get by and people caring for each other out of their new soiciological perspectives.

The only issue is, it had to start with a authrotarian "brain washing" type contol everything group to force people to think that way.  Marx wasn't looking for a new government so much as he was... a new human race one who cared as much for strangers as it did itself.  

Stalin and Lenin after implementing the ideas thought that only with force could communism be upheld... with differing opinions of how much force.

If anything, Marx and Engles being so far a part should be moer surprising to you since they wrote the communist manifesto together.  Though there differences are also pretty unsurprising.

 

No wonder his vision can be described as "utopian".