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shuraiya on 25 June 2011
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sapphi_snake said:
Torillian said:
sapphi_snake said:

But if he does have sexual attraction towards small children, then he is a potential threat. Paedophilia is a mental diorder, and paedophiles generally don't think rationally, and make up bizarre excuses to justify their actions (things like "a person reaches full sexual maturity at the age of 5"). Heck, even the book Lolita presented a situation like that. Making this guy go to a psychiatrist isn't punishing him, it's helping him, and possibly saving a poor child in the future. Igf he really is sexually attracted to small children, then he'll eventually crack if he doesn't recieve help.

Paedophilia is indeed a mental condition, but unless the person is a threat to others you can't force treatment on them.  If they want treatment they will seek it out, it is not the government's place to tell them how to think.  

Paedophilia is a crime because it has a victim: children.  Children aren't deemed old enough to make decisions about sex on their own and therefore sex with someone who can make decisions (anyone over 18) is illegal and I totally agree with this law.  Sure sometimes you get silly situations like when a 19 year old dates a 17 year old but a line had to be drawn in the sand and stuck with.  But child pronography created without the involvement of any actual children doesn't hurt any of them, and therefore it should not be a crime.  Just the same as rape fantasy porn with women pretending isn't a crime as long as noone was actually raped (and therefore no victim)

The bolded statement is what the crux of the whole argument is, and until you prove that anyone sexually attracted to the underaged will eventually crack without help then you are punishing someone for their thoughts and I just can't see that as something the government should do.  I'm a strong believer in the old saying that your rights to swing your arms around stop at the other person's nose and therefore your rights to think should only stop when they affect others in a negative way.  Until that point you can think about any crazy thing you want.

But in modern society we aim to prevent crime. You approach does exactly the opposite of that. When a person suffers from a mental condition that makes them a threat to others (in this case children), it's quite normal to force that person to go to a specialist. You have to remember that paedophiles are insane people, who are not thinking rationally and cannot control themselves. I never advocated that people who are caught with animated child pornography go to prison, I said they should recieve HELP, which is not the same thing. Prevention is key.

Everyone who molests a child is in fact not a pedophile. Pedophilia--the public perception at least--involves sexual attraction to undeage children. Molestation does not always involve attraction; therefore they would simply be child molesters. Pedophiles can very much control themselves, otherwise all instances of their... violations would not, and in fact, could not be a crime. Attraction is not an excuse to act on ones urges. The main difference between animated child pornography and that involving real children is that the owner is well aware of damage being done to the real children and chooses to support it anyway. That conscious decision to support the victimization of children is the real crime. Animated child pornogrphy does produce those victims. To date, there is no cure for pedophilia, so simply demanding those caught with animated child pornography "seek help" is a moot point. The only help that can be provided is managing their desires so as not to cause harm to real children. Your approach involves treating them like time bombs just itching to go off.

Returning to the case against this man. Even if he was caught with hardcore zombie loli hentai--we could even throw the charge of necrophilia at him--it does not necessarily mean he is a pedophile. It is possible to be attracted to animated characters exclusively. One can't assume the qualities he finds attractive in animated girls or women automatically translate to real girls and women. Many of those qualities may not even exist in real people, and if they don't he just won't be attracted to them.