| sapphi_snake said: @DélioPT: They are used as a justification when something is related to an aspect or more of said religion(s). Yup, and if bodily harm is involved, it's usually forbidden. You are raising an issue that doesn`t exist in said religion. It's irrelevant. It could exist in other religions. Would it be acceptable to you in that case? Would you "respect" that practice?
I did take everything into consideration. The ideea is that we have an infant, who's having a pointless medical procedure irreversable done against his will. I cannot find this acceptable. I was just talking about the cases where the child would do the same, not in cases where the child wouldn`t. I wouldn`t make sense if i was talking about the last part. But what makes you think that the child would get a circumcision if he had the choice? This is precisely why it shouldn't be done on infants. People should be allowed to chose what happens to their bodies. In this case the justification exists. It`s not pointless, it`s a question of faith. Religion is personal. You can't force it on others. He will be given his foreskin back as much as his education will be erased from him so he can re-educate himself. It`s just one thing you can`t undo. Do you hear what you're saying? It's a terribly weak anology. A person can chose to reject everything's he's been taught, and no harm is done. If that wouldn't be the case than people would be identical clones of their parents. You can't compare something mental with something physiological. A person can choose to adopt a different set of beliefs, while a person can't regrow a part of their body that's been removed. I was talking about medical complications. We differ in several aspects, not just that. I see this forced mutilation as a huge problem. |
But this "bodily harm" doesn`t apply since it came from God itself.
About the virgin sacrifice, no i wouldn´t agree. That`s why i said this "When i said "respect" it`s in a sense of asking people to take into consideration the context and that is the why it`s done and what is done." Respect doesn`t equal accept. I respect a lot of things, but that doesn`t mean i necessarily agree with them.
"But what makes you think that the child would get a circumcision if he had the choice?" I was just comparing the situations where it would be done by choice of parents or sons.
"Religion is personal. You can't force it on others." If a religious parents or parents live what they teach then everything will be forcing. But it will also be the case where a non religious parent or parents, who also live by what they teach, will also enforce something. Not enforcing a religion, a set of values, or whatever, can`t be done when you are raising a kid. You teach them something, it just changes from person to person. Some will find it ok to have this procedure, some won`t.
"Do you hear what you're saying? It's a terribly weak anology. A person can chose to reject everything's he's been taught, and no harm is done. If that wouldn't be the case than people would be identical clones of their parents. You can't compare something mental with something physiological. A person can choose to adopt a different set of beliefs, while a person can't regrow a part of their body that's been removed."
I don`t think you read deeply into what i said. No you can`t reject everything, that would rejecting yourself. It`s not just a question of values. That doesn`t mean you are a clone, it means that it helped mold you. And that really is more important than this medical procedure. It`s important, but not as important as you put it.
"I see this forced mutilation as a huge problem."
I respect that even not agreeing with it, as i don`t think it`s important.
