| sapphi_snake said: @DélioPT: It does justify, not just to you. Religion can't be used as a justification for just anything. I don`t know why you keep bringing that virgin sacrifice. See above. You keep ignoring this, because you know it weakens your position. If everything that is a religious practice should be "respected" then that means that virgin sacrifices would have to be respected too, if they were mandated by a religion. By themselves, i meant the kids, as in, the result would be the same. But what makes you think that the children would get circumcised if they had a choice? Sri Lumpa already answered this pretty well. It is, because it`s a wish that comes from God. At least in judaism. It`s meant to symbolize the union bewtween God and Abraham`s descendants. Again, you cannot use religion to justify just anything. And as you said, it "symbolizes", in other words it's pointless. Also, what if the child decides that he doesn't want to be a jew when he grows up? Will someone give him his foreskin back? And it is really not big of a deal. It`s a simples medical procedure. That`s it. No violence is used, no physical harm is done (no more than a normal procedure) to the child. A child's foreskin is removed against his will. And there is physical harm (the foreskin disappears, penis sensitivity is lessened etc.). If some do it because of health benefits, so be it, if others do it for religious reasons, so be it. Yes, as long as the person undergoing the procedure is old enough to give consent and is fully aware of the nature of the procedure and it's consequences, then there's no problem. However, this should not be done on infants (unless there are emdical complications that require it). |
"Religion can't be used as a justification for just anything."
They are used as a justification when something is related to an aspect or more of said religion(s).
"See above. You keep ignoring this, because you know it weakens your position. If everything that is a religious practice should be "respected" then that means that virgin sacrifices would have to be respected too, if they were mandated by a religion."
You are raising an issue that doesn`t exist in said religion.
When i said "respect" it`s in a sense of asking people to take into consideration the context and that is the why it`s done and what is done. Then, make your decision.
"But what makes you think that the children would get circumcised if they had a choice? Sri Lumpa already answered this pretty well."
I was just talking about the cases where the child would do the same, not in cases where the child wouldn`t. I wouldn`t make sense if i was talking about the last part.
"Again, you cannot use religion to justify just anything. And as you said, it "symbolizes", in other words it's pointless. Also, what if the child decides that he doesn't want to be a jew when he grows up? Will someone give him his foreskin back?"
In this case the justification exists. It`s not pointless, it`s a question of faith.
He will be given his foreskin back as much as his education will be erased from him so he can re-educate himself. It`s just one thing you can`t undo.
"A child's foreskin is removed against his will. And there is physical harm (the foreskin disappears, penis sensitivity is lessened etc.).
Yes, as long as the person undergoing the procedure is old enough to give consent and is fully aware of the nature of the procedure and it's consequences, then there's no problem. However, this should not be done on infants (unless there are emdical complications that require it)."
no physical harm is done (no more than a normal procedure) - I was talking about medical complications.
This is where we differ: i honestly don`t see this medical procedure as a problem and i honestly believe that, looking at the big picture of an upbringing, there really are more deeper issues than having a parent decide for their kid this medical procedure.
