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voty2000 on 18 June 2011
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hudsoniscool said:
voty2000 said:


I love this mentality.  We can't convince people that our theory is true because we have crappy "evidence" so they must be brainwashed.  Calling people brainwashed is a cop-out.  It means that you can't provide sufficient proof to convert so you hide behind this saying to make you feel better about your flawed opinion.

Let's look at this logically.  There are thousands upon thousands of engineers across the globe.  Now, we can assume that the engineers in the USA are unreliable because they don't want to make their country look bad and I'll concede to that even though it is crap. 

But there is the rest of the world.  The rest of the world that looks for any flaw that the USA has and uses it as ammo against them.  Do you actually think that all those engineers all over the world would just let this slip?  If it was a conspiracy, do you honestly think there wouldn't be thousands of engineers showing conclusively that the towers were in fact detonated?  An engineer in China or Afghanistan has to reason to defend the USA so why aren't they speaking up? 

But no, lets believe a few folks and ignore the vast majority of real engineers with integrity.  I just can't comprehend people that ignore the fact that if planes couldn't cause the towers to collapse then thousands of credible engineers would point it out. 

But I am brainwashed I guess because I use logic.  It's just funny hearing it from you.  It's like a blind man telling me my shirt is pink when it's actually green.

We show you the facts and then you sweep them under the table ignoring them. This entire time we present solid proof that there was a conspiracy and you guys dont even argue against them you just say something thats irrelevent(like whats bolded). You ignore suck facts as:

Never has a high rise steel building collapsed because of fire before or after 9/11 but that day it happened "3 times". there was even a test on a high rise steel building in which they burned it as hot as they could for something like 18 hours and it never collapsed but the buildings during 911 did only after a few hours.

jetfuel cannot burn at high enough temperature to cause steel to melt into molten metal.

thermite was found at several differant areas. thermite is used as an explosive and can easily melt steel unlike jetfuel.

Hundreds of evewitnesses reported explosions, Before the planes hit and right before the buildings came down.

All 4 black boxes were never recovered. since they were put into planes only 1 black box has never been recovered(not including planes that crashed in water or plane that crashed at 19k feet).

All 3 buildings fell as if they were demolished. Both the twin towers had week sides because of the planes of if they were to fall they should have fallen over at its weekest points not straight down into its self

George bush lied about seeing the  the plane hit the tower

One of the head guys that was investigating said there was no molten metal week after 911 a clear lie

I would put more but i have to go. Explain to me how these facts are wrong.

Because the are not facts, they are ramblings from a few guys who are either un-qualified to speak or are insane.  All the proof in the world has been given and you guys always ignore and blindly say that our sources are wrong.  Look at Kaz's link because it has more credibility than any source on your side. 

I like how you ignore my statement on way engineers around the world haven't come forward and say something is up.  Only a few looney's say anything and you eat their crap up. 

One thing that cannot be denied from the Popular Mechanics report is that steel does not have to be molten to collapse.  It simply needs to be heated up to a degree that jet fuel can manage.  Here's an experiment.  Heat some lead with a butane torch and hold it with a pair of pliers.  Put pressure on the lead and it will become soft well before it melts or becomes molten.  Same thing with steel.

It's impossible to convince you that your obviously wrong but maybe a few folks will read this and decide once and for all that this conspiracy is full of barely believable crap by un-reliable sources. 

And with this post I'm done with this thread.  I will go back to being brainwashed and accepted by society and will use my logic to function properly.  Goodbye and goodnight, I'm watching Shutter Island.  I hope there is not a hidden message deep within it that will make me have the uncontrollable desire to buy new shutters for my windows.