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Also, while I understand your reasoning on greatness I dont agree with it. A player can be great without ever winning a title. Iverson for one was never on a team that had any business winning a title, let alone getting to the finals the one year they did. Dominique Wilkins is another one that never played on a championship worthy team. Barkley and Malone are all-time greats as well, although I do feel they had very good opportunities to win titles themselves. Your list is very solid though, not saying I would take anyone off of it. Maybe throw Oscar Robertson in there, though i'm not sure who he would replace.