Circumcision ban getting people snippy.

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elticker said:

mubarak ordered the army to fire and the army refused, i actaully have the newspaper which has our chieff of starr same annan saying that they got presidentail orders to burn tahrir square to the ground but they refused and even if the army heads ordered there would be a coup as the our military is closely bonded to the egyptain public, we cheared when they went to the streets, recieveing orders is not the same like obeying orders, your army fired at protestors and i think protestors where pretty scared when the army went to the street, while our army refused and not one shot was fired at protestors.

http://wlcentral.org/node/1298

Reporting in the Independent on Friday, Robert Fisk tells us that Hosni Mubarak had ordered the massacre of the people in Tahrir Square:

the critical moment came on the evening of 30 January when, it is now clear, Mubarak ordered the Egyptian Third Army to crush the demonstrators in Tahrir Square with their tanks after flying F-16 fighter bombers at low level over the protesters.

Many of the senior tank commanders could be seen tearing off their headsets – over which they had received the fatal orders – to use their mobile phones. They were, it now transpires, calling their own military families for advice. Fathers who had spent their lives serving the Egyptian army told their sons to disobey, that they must never kill their own people.

Fisk's report was raised near the end of 2011-02-13 Tales of Tyrants: Ben Ali, Mubarak & Suleiman yesterday but we feel it is important enough to bear repeating and elaboration:

Please note also something else that can be deduced from Robert Fisk's description of these events. Namely that it was the low level officers in the tanks, the ones that got their orders over headsets, that refused to carry out the mass murder in Tahrir Square. Had the top brass refused Mubarak, those orders never would have been heard over headsets.

It was soldiers with cell phones that stopped the slaughter. It was the low level officers and tank commanders that organized a mutiny and refused to carry out the massacre. We now know that when an army spokesman announced on state TV the day after the refused massacre, that “the armed forces will not resort to use of force against our great people.” He was not speaking of the will or morality of the supreme military council, he was speaking of their limitations. He was referring to a power they had attempted to exercise but failed to exercise the night before

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/162806.html 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution_of_1989

waw you are now shifting stances. you said society is to blame for everything and now it is the dictator is to blame, interesting. when i recieve orders i can choose to not do it you know that right. it was societies fault for the bloody revolution as they accepted the orders and romania pretty much became a jungle with animals killing each other.

take a look at the first paragraph it shows how much our people have more values than yours because we disobeyed and not one bullet was fired against protestors, so where are the no human rights, fundamentalist muslim country now. They disobeyed even when orders where coming from high command which i daught but they disobeyed which makes me proud to be an egyptain, your army could have too but they didn't just like dogs.

why the fuck would you not trail him like human beings and murdered him and not him alone but his wife too thats pretty animalistic and inhumane to the greatest degree don't you agree.

also you didn't answer me how are we a fundemalistic muslim country when we used to jail up the muslim brother hood, no censorship on porn, no fundamalestic muslim country does that and we have 10% christain population.

bottom line: we are more humane than you romanains are so don't even compare us to you

Obviously you know little about Communist society. You follow orders and you don't question them or else you disappear misteriously and are never heard from again.

 

The dicator got a fair trial. He was guilty of all the things he was accussed of (genocide, ordering the army to fire against the people). I don't agree with the death penalty, but the protesters were in overkill. His wife was part of the country's leadership, and she was just as guilty as he was.

 

I don't know what crimes Muraback has committed, or if he has committed any, but what's for sure is that, unlike Ceauşescu, he will not be punished. 

 

Also, Muraback used to jail the Muslim Brotherhood. Seems like they're gaining traction, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if an extremist Islamic state will rise to power after the elections in September. This Muraback guy seems to have been very secular, and revolutions against such individual tend to be hijacked by religious extremists (Iran is a good example). Better keep watching that porn while it's still legal, 'cause soon you may be returning to traditional Islamic "values".

 

I suppose you also think you're better than the French, after all they did have that bloody French Revolution and all... I won't try to paint Romanian's as progressive, and humane, because they're not. Most Romanian's are very right-wing, they're religous fundementalists, they're racists, anti-semites, misogynists and homophobes. If it weren't for the EU we'd be in the Dark Ages, and most of the people who are against the EU over here are upset that the EU is ruining are "culture" and "values" (like not being able to denigrate gypsies or send gays to jail or deny the Holocaust happened or force non-Christians to pray in school). I don't think I've ever given Romanian's as an example as the epitome of civilization and humanity.