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steverhcp02 said:

Well i run into that too with jehovas witness. They could have terrible trauma and be bleeding out but simply wont accept blood or blood products. We educate, inform them of possible outcomes and respect their CHOICE. We provide comfort and do everything we can, some accept platelets, frozen plasma etc. becuase when youre actively dying its funny but 9 times out of 10 people want to live regardless of "religious policy"

the fact of the matter is its a choice, we have literature and we have facts to back up the benefits. we also have facts to back up the possible lack of benefits. Some people simply argue it doesnt make a difference in aids/cancer and thats fine. Most of the medical community agrees that it does far more good than having it not done, but we let the parents decide.

You can argue until youre blue in the face and rightfuly so about the pros or cons or evidence of lack of benefit etc. We know for a FACT a few things.

1) Foreskin has no benefit in protecting the penis throughout the life of a human being

2) Meticulous care of the glans penis is necessary throughout life.

3) Bacteria dwell in dark, warm moist places, this is under the foreskin

Now, i havent seen solid evidence about lack of pain, i do know first hand that babies have slept right through the procedure and they balled their eyes out after being restrained in their legs only to have fall right back to sleep before the snipping and sleep through it. Ive seen babies suck a pacifier right through the procedure away without flinching at the incision or clamping. I believe from what ive witnessed it causes no distress. Thats what i tell mothers and fathers who ask, and i say we dont know for sure. We say its not medically necessary but the potential outcomes from doing it are positive whereas there is a chance based on the facts we know about bacteria and the need to clean meticulously its difficult to prevent infections in some instances as the child grows and even in adulthood.

Anytime people are petitioning to remove the choice of something its scary. Anytime people who (liek the poster above talking about colostomy "bags" and rmeoving throats at birth etc) base this reasoning on a complete lack of education and more idealistic religious or unfounded bizarre analogies its scarier.

In the end its a choice, a choice thats not forced or pushed on parents. Its religiously driven, if we start replacing science and medicine based on religion we are in trouble.

sorry i can't do anything but laugh i find you to have a funny way of replying :). removing throats at birth rofl.