The Sissy Boy Experiment and Why You Can't "Cure" the Gay

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@Joelcool7:

I actually almost started crying when I saw your huge post. And you had to double post too. I'm not going to quote the parts I'm relying to.

1. I was talking about all your stories about gays going straight. Those were the ones I found questionable. I'm well aware that you can find lots of gays where you live, and I'm not surprisded you know some.

2. The brain is an organ that works in a certain way. Not everything regarding it can be controlled. All respected psychologists agree that sexual orientation cannot be changed.

3. I've already given you the definition of homosexuality (sexual attraction to people of the same sex as yourself). Going to clubs has nothing to do with it. Metrosexuality IS a lifestyle however.

4. People aren't really as self aware as you may think. Maybe the guy (who claimed to like girls, but now he doesn't) just assumed that he was straight (that's what society promotes), and thought he liked girls 'till he was with a guy and saw what it was like to really "like" someone. I myself know a guy who was like that. Regarding your friend who now considers himself bi, well sexual orientation referres to sexual attraction.The encounter may have made him realise that he finds guys attractive. However, you should not confuse enjoying anal stimulation with being gay. All men, not just gay men can enjoy anal stimulation, because all men have prostates. Anal sex for men has typically held a negative stigma due to society's ideas of power, however there's really no reason why any man wouldn't enjoy recieving anal stimulation (,ost heterosexual men will be too afraid, as today anal stimulation is associated errneously with homosexuality).

5. Christianity implies a certain ideology, whereas Atheism and Agnosticism don't. This experiment was carried out by Christians, because of their Christian beleifs, which makes it noteworthy to single out the fact that Christians were involved in it. The same can be said about the Catholic "doctors" from Germany.

6. I never said politicians should give up their religious beleifs, I said that they should be objective and impartial, and not let their religious beliefs interfere with their political deicision, as they are elected to represent EVERY citizen. Religion is something personal, that should serve as a guide for how the INDIVIDUAl who follows said religion should live his life, if he so chooses. It should not be turned into law and forced upon the enitre population.

7. This isn't a thread about a suicide case. This is a thread about the 'Sissy Boy Experiment' and it's aftermath. This is also part of a bigger issue within society: homophobia, the persecution of gays, and ex-gay organisations.

8. The fact that this guy commited suicide is very important, because he was for a long time the poster child for ex-gay therapy. The fact that the experiment failed, and also destroyed his life is something that should be known by the world. Ex-gay organisations claim that homosexuals can "change" and that "change" is necessary for homosexuals to be happy, and it's quite important to expose their lies.

9. Lunk to info about the suicide rates of gays: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth

10. The abuse that elticker experienced was terrible, but it's important to note that in his case it was cruel and unusual punishment for childhood shenanigans. His father was a psychotic abuser. The guy from this experiment experienced abuse on several levels, abuse tha tstarted ever since he was 11 months old (!!!), and that lasted 'till his late teens. This abuse was psychological and physical, and the main reason was his very being. Nothing that he did, that he felt, that he said and that he thought was considered right. He was single out as "defective", "wrong", "deviant", almost from when he was born. This is a type of abuse that very few people experience, and what's worse is that it's encouraged by society, and was actually promoted by official organisations and organised religion.

11. The definition you gave of "disease" is very suspect. It's really the definition given to pseudo-diseases often present within psychology, and helps the dominant class marginaliza all the people who aren't like them. "Abnormal" to humanity in general, or "abnormal" compared to the dominant class? "Harmful" in an objective way (degradation of health, may lead to death), or "harmful" in that it challenges the status-quo, and reveals the myths in which the dominant class has sorrounded itself?  By this definition, being left-handed could be considered a disease.

Here's the first definition of disease given by the Free Online Dictionary (which you overlooked):

1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

This one's much better and scientific.

Regarding disorder, it means the functions of the mind and body, however people's minds and bodies do not function in the same way.

I don't know that much about ADHD, but I know for sure that it's considered to be a very controversial disorder. I know that many people question it's validity. However, from what I do know about it, ADHD does cause serious problems to the person who suffers from it. Such a person is incapable of staying concentrated on a task at hand, and this leads to failure in life in general (such as academia). A person who suffers from ADHD could even have his/her life be put in danger, as they may not be careful in everyday situations, such as crossing the street.

An experiment conducted in the 60s by a psychologist had demonstrated that homosexuality doesn't fit the criteria for being considered a "disease" or a "disorder". The study consistetd of several expert psycholigists evaluating a large number of men, some of which were homosexuals (however this fact was unknown, to keep any possible bias from interfering with the study). The result was that the homosexaul men were as capable of functioning within society as the heterosexual men. Subsequent experiments have shown that homosexuality is normal for the homosexual, and trying to change this causes trauma and disorders (the aftermath of this experiment is a great example of that).