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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


Anti-semtism is one thing... mass killing of a race is a totally different matter.

There are plenty of anti-semites and anti-semtic groups that wouldn't kill a jew even if they knew they could get away with it.

The vatican aided Nazi escape because Allied governments told them to... so does that show where the Allies sympathy lied?

You have such a strange pure black and white view of things... which is amusing... considering.  Your one of those people that tend to hate religion or a religion so much... that you end up acting exactly how you accuse them of acting... and why you hate them.  I'm would't be surprised if you were a Zeitgeist beleiver with attitudes like that.

Heck, you believe that the Roman Catholic Church... freed nazis... because they were sympathetic to them.... based on a book you haven't read, that suggests that might be one of a number of reasons they did it... though they have no proof as to why they did.  Off of one article... oh and then you extended it to "They would of had their own concentration camps!"  (Ignoring the fact that all of europe was pretty anti-semitc, and everyone else was aghast about them.)

Think about things uncritically much?

Do you think that genocide is something spontaneous that just happens? There are things that lead up to it, and the anti-semitism promoted by the RCC for centuries is the main reason why such sentiments exist in Europe in the first place.

Can you honestly say that if the RCC still had political and military power in Europe at that time, that they wouldn't have taken advantage of the modern methods of mass killing to get back at the people who they claim to be responsable for the death of Jesus (while simoltaneously getting rid of the gypsies and gays)?

I don't have such a black and white view of things, but helping Nazis escape punishment is pretty black in my book. And I wasn't criticising the religion in this case (though the religion itself is also at fault), just a corrupt institution, that aided Nazis (and currently aids paedophiles).

Then again, I shouldn't be surprised by your accusations. Without all the shades of gray you Americans couldn't justify the attrocities you've commited. I can't help but feel a little bit sick when I hear your arguments for why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were OK.

Yes.  I think I can saftely say that they wouldn't of rounded people up and mass executed people.

As for helping Nazis...

"One cannot ignore the role of the Western Allies," the author also writes, "particularly the involvement of the U.S. intelligence services in assisting refugees with a Nazi past and in recycling SS agents at the beginning of the Cold War" in the effort to combat "communist expansion."

Cold War concerns "trumped postwar reckoning with Nazi crimes," Steinacher observes. While the high-profile war-crimes case of Canadian immigrant Michael Seifert isn't referenced in the book, Steinacher says the 1951 escape to Canada of the former Nazi prison guard — the "Butcher of Bolzano" as he was known for his murderous actions at an Italian prison camp in 1944 and 1945 — illustrates the challenges faced by the Red Cross and other agencies handling refugees and immigrants in postwar Europe.

Of course... you wouldn't know that... since you based your entire theory off of one article.  Which extended to "if they could of the Vatican would of used concentration camps."   Which is silly.  If that was true... why was Western Europe upset about the concentration camps.  It takes more then racism to cause all out genocide.

As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Seriously?  They were military targets that saved way more japanese civilian lives then cost... that's a fact.

The "less harsh" way of blockaiding would of involved 3/4ths of the country stariving to death as the only way to successfully maintain a blockaide would of been to bomb the railways... which were nessisairy for most of Japan to get their food because their food production was heavily concentrated in one area.

 


Two cities worth of civilians dieing... or... 3/4ths of the nations entire population... which of these is the right choice?  It's common senese.  One isn't worse then the other because one was by a big explosion that killed most of the people instantly.  Hell i'd say that's better then slowly starving to death myself.

Again it's an inability to look at things critically and instead be caught up in the flare and something sounding like something you'd like to believe.