trashleg said:
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Don't confuse England with Britain/UK. England is the one that's been around for over a thousand years with an incredible history, with a large part devoted to being INVADED by Scotland. The UK is the bastard child that was forcibly created by a SCOTTISH, not English, King.
Act of Union, 1707. Google it. It was the right thing at the time but now people want a change.
Scotland would remain a monarchy. The SNP hate it but the majority of the Scots love it as much as the rest of the UK.
I'm Scottish. I have no time for the monarchy. Guess I'm in the minority then?
I'd propose that the UK seat on the security council be given to the Commonwealth. Share it between England, Scotland, Canada, Australia etc on the condition that France gives it's seat to the EU.
What?
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Why did no-one tell me about this thread?
Also, independence or not just look at last year's general election results and you'll see that all but one constituency in Scotland voted left-wing. This alone speaks volumes and should tell you that the current UK cabinet are not what we wanted. Imagine 95% of a group of people voting for labour, and gettin a Tory-Lib Dem cabinet. Why would anyone be happy with that? Scotland's people (the majority of them) voted for one party and are not seeing the effects of this because England tends to have large numbers of Tory votes.
Even on this point alone, its clear that England and Scotland have different interests, and while I'm not clear yet exactly where my mind is on the independence referendum, it is OBVIOUS that the union is no longer as useful (or as united) as it once was.
Scotland should belong to the Scottish people, and they should have the RIGHT to decide whether that means being a state as part of the UK or being their own country. Although the outcome will affect the rest of the UK, it ultimately is up to the people if they want to be independent.
Hopefully David Cameron will back the fuck down and realise this. Doing "everything he can" to oppose this independence, that just screams of oppressive control freakishness.
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You do know who King James was, right? Google it.
Yes, you are in the minority, even in Scotland regards the monarchy.
I hope 'call me Dave' ramps things up, it'll hurt the case for Union. What's so great is that the Lib Dems popularity has dropped so much (unfairly) that they can't be used as an alternative vote. Kinda creates a perfect storm. It's not that I want Scotland out, I just want England to be alone again. Without Scotland and Wales skewing the votes and enacting legislation against Engllish children, England will be governed by the English.
Shame it won't happen and instead Scotland will get even more money that Wales or NI or god forbid England should get and in 20 years we'll have the same thing all over again.
Had David Davis won the Conservative leadership, Scotland wouldn't be voting on English affairs anymore and eventually that would have led to either the Scottish Parliament or the UK Parliament disappearing.
