Michael-5 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Michael-5 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dance Central is NOT AAA. A AAA title involves an above industry standard budget from the publisher and is expected to have a large following (Which means high risk investment with expectation of high profits). Dance Central is not AAA, the Michael Jackson Experience is not AAA, Just Dance is not AAA. They are casual titles which are cheaper to create and still have a high expectation of profit. The commercials for the titles probably cost more than their development budgets. The game was mostly mo-capped, the dancers did the majority of the work for the animators. A hardcore game is built from the ground up, where-as casual titles on something like the Kinect is mostly mo-capped or have simple animations. This is a breath of fresh air for the big publisher who wants to save money like Activision, THQ, Ubisoft, EA and the other usual notable multiplatform names. The average next gen multiplatform title budget is 20-30 million dollars. High profile AAA titles (The minority) like Modern Warfare, Mass Effect, Uncharted and their Ilk cost around 40-70 million dollars to make because of the amount of developers it takes to make those games, especially when sequels need to be produced at a specific speed (usually two year increments). Ratings don't mean the game is AAA, it doesn't have the budget nor the notable following to be considered AAA. Lower than 8.5 ratings usually hurt the credibility of a AAA title in the eyes of the average reading consumer, but it doesnt change the budget.
Read this so you can understand the difference because I dont believe you get it just yet:
http://www.thekoalition.com/2010/09/kinect-and-move-development-is-cheaper-will-game-quality-decline/
Glad thats all cleared up. Now if I can get back to the truth of the matter, the 360 is back at 2 AAA exclusives (Gears 3 and Forza 4) for the year going up against InFamous 2, Uncharted 3, Twisted Metal, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, LBP 2 and The Last Guardian is up in the air between holiday 2011 and early next year. Those are the only AAA exclusives between the PS3 and 360 for the year. The rest are Move/Kinect titles and other exclusives.
It is rumored for sure that two more Sony AAA exclusives will be revealed. One is heavily claimed to be Heavenly Sword 2. Hope Microsoft has something big planned. They have one month left before E3.
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Okay, I'll agree with you about AAA. In that case, for my debate with others on this thread, I have stated that the number of AAA titles being released this fall for PS3 is three (Uncharted 3, InFamous 2, and Resistance 3), and for 360 it's 2 (Gears 3 and Forza 4). I don't know the exact budgets for Twisted Metal and some of the larger Kinect titles like Steel Batallion, ut I would assume they are about the same.
My point is PS3 has 3 AAA titles, I wouldn't consider Twisted Metal AAA because it started life as an Arcade title, and by observing the level of graphical detail, we can easily see less development has gone into this title then Motorstorm. I mean when you shoot a building's corner support, why does the entire building fall? The only difference I see in terms of gamelay quality between this game as say Battle Tanks for N64 is the graphics, and even then Twisted Metal falls far short for an HD game.
As for The Last Guardian, it's delayed to 2012, it won't come out in 2011. As for Killzone 3 and LBP2, they are already out. I am not debating the total number of AAA titles for PS3 and 360 for the entire year, just upcoming.
I believe it was you who said PS3 has significantly more games comming out for the system, and that's simply not true. For 2011 the matter is 3 to 2 AAA titles in favor of PS3 and 8 to 6 large scale, and likely well rated, exclusives in favor of 360.
Overall, that difference is minor, and for 2012 titles, I think it's far too early to ebate those games. After all Most of Kinects 2011 lineup was only anounced this year, we just don't know exactly what both developers have to offer, especially now that Nintendo has pushed for the 8th generation of gaming early.
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Yes...I said the PS3 has significantly more games. This is definitely true because they will have significantly more exclusives; the question, however, is whether they are AAA or not. Yes, Twisted Metal is a AAA exclusive. All the news reported hinted at a reported "AAA exclusive" before Twisted Metal was announced that was being created by David Jaffe in 2010. Look this up dude. The scale of that game is crazy. The development must've been kept secret since 2008 because Jaffe hasn't been doing anything since "Head On" Launched on the PSP. Also look up how many people are grilling jaffe as to whether Twisted Metal can sell consoles.
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Actually if you look it up, there are significantly more 360 exclusives then PS3 exclusives (360 has 156 currently released exclusives, where PS3 has 89, a litle less then 60% as many)
I've seen Twisted Metal Gameplay, and I know it started life as an Arcade title, as was an Arcade title as late as last years. If you consider Twisted Metal a AAA title, then you must consider the larger scale Kinect exclusives, such as Steel Batallion, and Project Dragon, as AAA titles. Simple as that, just because you want to only accept PS3 games as AAA, but exclude 360 titles doesn't mean PS3 has that much stronger of a lineup.
Twisted Metal for PS3 is not as large scale of a game as older TM games, and if you want to consider what began life as an Arcade game as AAA then you should consider Steel Batallion to be, and same with Project Dragon. These are Japanese developed 360 exclusives, and been in develoment for over a year, I doubt the scale of these games is any less then TM, especially with Microsoft publishing these titles.
Also AAA or not, a game like Dance Central is still fun as hell. If all 6 of the Major Kinect titles for this fall are as fun as that game, I would hardly think it's fair ignoring them in any debate.
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