Athens or Sparta?

[AkiraGr]

Great perspective about political issue on the matter of history i couldn't i agree with you more about the abuse that connects the political issues with Historic facts.

Macedonians were Dorians (Greek: Δωριεῖς, Dōrieis, singular Δωριεύς, Dōrieus) were one of three populations into which the ancient Greeks considered the population of Hellenes to have been divided. The Hellenes spoke Greek and were considered to be the Greeks, although the ancient Greek sources did recognize non-Hellenic populations residing among them.

Where they came from?

A man's name, Dōrieus, occurs in the Linear B tablets at Pylos, one of the regions invaded and subjected by the Dorians. Pylos tablet Fn867 records it in the dative case as do-ri-je-we, *Dōriēwei, a third or consonant declension noun with stem ending in w. An unattested plural, *Dōriēwes, would have become Dōrieis by loss of the w and contraction, but in the tablet, which is concerned with contribution of grain to a temple, it is simply a man's name.[6] Whether it had the ethnic meaning of "the Dorian" is unknown.
Greek spearman with the long upland spear.
Greek spearman with the long upland spear.

Julius Pokorny derives Dorian from dōris, "woodland" (which can also mean upland).[7] The dōri- segment is from the o-grade (either ō or o) of Indo-European *deru-, "tree". Dorian might be translated as "the country people", "the mountain people", "the uplanders", "the people of the woods" or some such appellation, which is eminently suitable to their reputed origin.

A second popular derivation was given by the French linguist, Émile Boisacq, from the same root, but from Greek doru, "spear" (which was wood); i.e., "the people of the spear" or "spearmen", emphasizing the warrior ferocity of the upland Dorians.

Uplands of Greece - the Pindus Mountains.

Though most of the Doric invaders settled in the Peloponnese, they also settled on Rhodes and in Asia Minor, where in later times the Dorian Hexapolis (the six Dorian cities) would arise: Halikarnassos (Halicarnassus) and Knidos (Cnidus) in Asia Minor, Kos, and Lindos, Kameiros, and Ialyssos on the island of Rhodes. These six cities would later become rivals with the Ionian cities of Asia Minor. The Dorians also invaded Crete. These origin traditions remained strong into classical times: Thucydides saw the Peloponnesian War in part as "Ionians fighting against Dorians" and reported the tradition that the Syracusans in Sicily were of Dorian descent.[31] Other such "Dorian" colonies, originally from Corinth, Megara, and the Dorian islands, dotted the southern coasts of Sicily from Syracuse to Selinus.

That are scientific facts accepted by the World. This facts are NOT personal opinions og Greek historians there are pure scientific facts by all the known historians in the world.

And about Hercules the Dorians as a tribe claimed heritage of Hercules not to be accepted in the Olympic games as they had already enslaved all the other Greek tribes like Ionian,Minoan,Mycenaean and after the enslaved war that Macedonians of King Philip the Second launched against other Hellenic tribes like Athenians,Spartans all Greeks had the same Heritage of Hercules and thats why they should stand united. Fact that all of them was Dorians because they claimed the heritage of Hercules even before Macedonia invaded Sparta and Athens the same Heritage said to be part of this other Hellenic Tribes.

The fact that they were claiming a heritage that was from a mythical figure that is a joke of course to us today but BEFORE 10.000 years was the best way to explain the same language,religion and cultural habits. This is so simple,its not a patriotic pride its not the great heritage of ancient Greeks(god knows how different we are now) its just a scientific fact.