Lots of bashing for the belief of God....

[Allfreedom99]

Scoobes said:

Allfreedom99 said:

Scoobes said:

This is getting quite long so I'll keep this short. You seem to have missed my point. An atheist doesn't have to believe that space, energy and matter must have always existed. He simply says, "Don't know that yet.... lets try and find out". That's the point I'm trying to get across. You say they must have always existed or their was a designer. An atheist (well, scientist) will see it as a gap in our knowledge waiting to be filled instead of jumping the gun with no actual evidence.

Plus, the concepts of space, time and energy are measurable. The concept of a creator isn't something we can measure or observe or even infer from effects.

And the question I answered, nucleic acids came from organic molecules combining in early Earth conditions (mixtures of methane, hydrogen, ammonia etc. with lightning as a catalyst). There are a few theories and papers as to how they came about that go into far more detail.

Im sure I sound like a broken record by now, but you are also missing my point.  What you just said here:

An atheist doesn't have to believe that space, energy and matter must have always existed. He simply says, "Don't know that yet.... lets try and find out". That's the point I'm trying to get across.

I dont mean to burst the bubble but you have just proven my point, that atheism is based on faith. If atheism was indeed the same thing as science as you say then nothing would be existing right now. Science will continually study to find the origin of the universe. When you go down the road of atheism you come to a dead end that cannot be explained by science alone. Therefore atheism is based on faith. To believe otherwise is being blind. the people on this post that are arguing against theism are saying that theism is based on faith, and atheism is based on science. Simply not true. Both are indeed based on faith. Scientists will never discover matter that has no beginning or time table upon it. All matter has a beginning.

In conclusion you also did not understand my point. If I were to ask you or a scientist, Where did intelligence come from? what gave us the ability to have intelligence? The entire realm of intelligence cannot be created by matter, time, space, or something that is equal to nothing.

Atheism: In the beginning there was "something" (based on faith). Theism: In the beginning there was God (based on faith).

You still don't seem to understand the difference between faith and science. I'm not missing your point; your point is wrong. You keep asking questions but atheism never claims to answer all questions but will always look for answers. There is no dead end, but a constant journey of self-correction.

And who says intelligence can't come from matter, time and space? You ask that question and yet you're already sure of your answers.

As for your last sentence, how I think it should look:

Atheism: In the beginning there may have been something that expanded from a singular point (based on evidence and the concepts will constantly be improved upon as more presents itself)

Theism: In there beginning there was a god (based on no evidence and pure faith with no self-correction when evidence is presented)

I see there is no room for consideration from you, as well as Im sure you see there is no room for consideration from me on your views of the origin of the universe. Im sure you think my views are foolish, as I think your views are foolish. You say I am only looking through the prism of my own human intellect. But what else do we have to make sense of the universe around us other than what our human knowledge can understand?  You say that there are factors we have not even discovered yet that will help us unravel the origins of the universe. What we have is human intellect and we make educated guesses on the information we have at our fingertips about the very beginning. I see design and order among chaos. All you see is chaos. Thats what you have implied.

I will never understand the atheist view as also I know atheist will never understand a theists view. I look up into our vast universe and I see beauty, and a vast cosmos of splendor. I see planets naturally orbiting their stars. I see trillions of stars among each trillions of galaxies. I see a solar eclipse take place and see that the moon aligns perfectly with our star and we have a perfect viewing platform to experience it. I look at our earth and see beauty, colors, wonderful smells, and life. I watch the sunset over the waters and can only think, how beautiful that is. I go outside on a nice warm summer day and breathe in the fresh air. I see a huge beautiful universe and a special planet that we live on and it makes me see the evidence of a designer. You look at it all and see mathematical calculations that occured by chance. You see elements that naturally just occurred with no knowledgeable force to guide them. You will never understand me. I will never understand you.