VGC Official PSN/SOE Info/Updates Thread.

[M.U.G.E.N]

Kasz216 said:

M.U.G.E.N said:

lol reentering a discussion after sleeping is weired :S I had to re-read some stuff just to remember what we are going on about

What I was trying to say is we have not seen anything liek this in this industry. Depending on the situation what a company can and should provide for consumers will vary.

I'm not that familiar with the Heartland case but in the Countrywide case it was around 15million or so people and as far as I see it, sony is covering way more people, and providing more things to them in compensation as well. iirc they also said they will cover any damages caused by this data breach too.

So again there is no average. It differs from case to case and again this is just a clash of opinions. You think this is what they should do in the least where as I think they are doing more than anyone reasonable would as of them.

and obviously, they are doing this 1. To protect themselves from future issues with the law 2. to keep the customers on the good side as much as possible. That much is obvious. But I don't think even if they had offered less that this, it would make much of a difference. But that is something you or I won't know for certain. Reason, we really do not have any examples that are similar in scale or similar in nature or industry to this one to compare.

but hey let's just drop it here :D this will go on and on and I usually like to stick to short comments. Let's just agree to disagree

Again the number of people doesn't matter.  To suggest it does is to put the company ahead of the victims.  Think about it this way.  If someone lost your money due to their incompetence and they say "Sorry I can only offer you 70% of what people usually get in this kind of screwup, because I wasn't careful with hundreds of peoples data instead of just yours."

Would you really say... "Ok!" 

If anything, by the time the courts, feds and state got through with the guy they'd be paying much more in fines and settlements from lawsuits per person then the single person.   All because of "Penalties."

Being negligent with 1 persons data is one thing, being negligent with 100 is totally different, since you should know better, have more resources, and cost less to secure.

Heartland case was 100 million for what it's worth... it's one of maybe two or three cases bigger then the Sony one.

Also... they didn't say that.  What they said was their Identity theft coverage had insurance up to a million dollars. (They all have insurance.)  So you get reimbursed for that year.

As for knowing for sure?  Well no, if I bet all my money on Black 4 on a roullete table I don't know for sure i'm going to lose my money... but I sure can make a pretty informed guess on the matter.  Aside from which, I gave you two cases.  The Feds are going to expect more, not less for the number of customers lost.

We can agree to disagree, but the general difference is one of our opinions has backing outside of just opinion.

sigh dude you just can't just leave it can ya? when you stop your post with something like your last sentence it's just not gonna help end this long long argument back and forth, and frankly rather annoying at this point.

I don't wanna keep this going tho cuz it seems it's just useless. You say this is average yet you can't come up with anything similar in scope to the one of PSN. You mention some companies that did one thing or the other yet ignore sony are doing several things in addition since this is a incident in the gaming industry, comparing it to other situations outside the industry is very impractial because so many variables invovled hence why I think what you're going on about is flawed

heck we do not know the extent of expenses to compare and say Heartland case was bigger, that is yet to be seen. Unless they also had to rebuild a large network, compensate with free services, free products along with ID theft coverage, and make those compensatons on a global level which will lead to even more expenses, it's not the same thing hence why your generalizaton fails.

and I disagree the general difference is you THINK the things you posted back up what I'm against but in reality it doesn't. At the end of the day it all comes down to what YOU believe to be average in compensation vs what I believe. I'm not putting company above customers and even thinking so is rather immature given I am a customer myself and I along with many of my friends are affected by it. Given how many have already showed ther satisfaction on things sony has done, the only major complaint I see is how they want psn back up on asap, only few are trying to spin this in a way the way you are doing. It's quite sad really. Doesn't matter if you climb the tallest building near you and scream it out loud, I'm not putting ANY company above myself. I'm just being reasonable, and from the comments of many psn users it's clear they are more than satisfied with what Sony is providing. Being reasonable in your expectations is a good thing, you should try it sometimes.

this annoying conversation has gone long enough and you won't listen to reason to understand this is just a difference of opinion and expectations, nothing more nothing less. I won't reply again or even read your next post as I'm sure it will have a childish remark that will urge me to reply again. I disagree with what you said, that is all.