dahuman said:
Soleron said:
I think your perspective is skewed. Sure, SLI matters to a lot of people. So does 3D Vision, F@h and PhysX. But that number is dwarfed by the number of people who don't care what they buy and buy the cheapest Dell box. And in a marketshare survey, they vastly outnumber the enthusiasts. In revenue, or maybe market importance, the enthusiasts are much more influential. I think we'll have to agree to differ on this point.
But:
- Nvidia's CPU is fail. How many actual products is it being used in? It's a generic ARM core that other vendors are doing better, delivering on promises of 1080p playback that Nvidia missed. Also the benchmark Nvidia used for that figure was rigged, they used an outdated version of gcc with optimisations disabled to run the C2D bench. Legitimate testing involves using the same test setup for both products at least. If we're talking about the future, then x86 fusion that Intel and AMD have will squeeze Nvidia's low-end market significantly.
- They are being beaten by Intel right now, yes. But even in their worst time ever, right before BD arrives, they are making a decent profit. They could live in this situation for a long time before being screwed. Neither of us know where BD will end up, and I happen to be optimistic.
- OK, Intel wins on process tech. They will have 22nm three years before AMD last I saw. However the initial Ivy Bridges are only 4 core, and it'll be 2H 2012 before Intel has 22nm products fighting BD. So AMD will have some time to shine if BD is good enough. By the way AMD (GF/IBM) also have that transistor tech, only they call it FinFET.
- Isn't AMD ahead in graphics at the moment? 6990 > GTX 590 and using a lot less silicon area? It is AMD who have pricing power as they have greater margins on their products. If AMD cut prices Nvidia would be pushed into the red on the GF110 die. 28nm is doubtful for this year so we are stuck in this AMD-favoured market for a while.
I'm not saying AMD has a lead in anything. But they are hardly screwed.
In the super long term Nvidia either needs x86 compatibility or bet on ARM domination (which I find unlikely).
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uh, you guys are kinda off on a few things, AMD is not behind Nvidia SSJ, they use different methods to get performance is more like it, I still think Nvidia has better software support, but I think AMD hardware has a lot of strength over Nvidia stuff if you don't simply look for gaming but AMD software is not as proficient in many cases.
Nvidia CPU is not fail, it's able to do 1080p encoding and decoding just fine, the problem atm is software support, Tegra 2 basically took the place of the Neon set in their CPU since that'd cut costs and you wouldn't need the Neon instruction set if Tegra 2 is there and will eventually have good software support before the end of this year, not to mention they already have something that has 5x the performance with same or lower power drain. It will be interesting once AMD enters that same market in 2012 or later though.
Fuck Intel graphics, and nothing more on that particular topic, just fuck them. I love their i7 line though, ridiculous performance once overclocked, if you don't have money issues, always go Intel over AMD on CPU with current gen tech I say, otherwise AMD is awesome at budget CPUs. I've seen those sexy 12 thread xeons in action, ridiculous is all I can say.
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