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theprof00 on 04 May 2011
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Profcrab said:
theprof00 said:
Profcrab said:
CaptainObvious said:

Anonymous are easy to frame cause no one knows who they are.

Anonymous ate my homework


Too true.  Their publicity has likely been a huge gift to cybercriminals.  Besides, what does it take to leave a small file behind?  Just upload an ominous text file and there you go! Framed! No one who thinks about it very long will buy it 100%, but most people will just hear it on the news and the evidence will be good enough for them.


give me one reason why anyone would do that. Just one. And not "to frame them", as if that means anything without a reason why.

Look, hackers are an extremely egotistical slice of society. They brand EVERYTHING. They even release underground CDs with the music they make for their keygens. (YES, they release keygens with Homemade Midi music.....they are actually really sweet MIDIs too)

I don't know where you are getting the information to back your logic, but looking at all angles, if ANYONE is lying here, the CIA and homeland security likely put them up to it. For what reason? I'd say to trick the hackers into thinking that the investigation is on the wrong track. Communication is everything to organizations, so miscommunication and misinformation is really the only motive I can see here.

(Of course, if the hackers are not rogue members of anon, and never placed that calling card, they would know that Sony is lying, figure out the scheme, and make off to Thailand or a deserted island. Lying that you're on the wrong track is only ever meant to buy a little time before you strike)

So, I'd say that whole scenario is pretty unlikely. 

If Sony planted ANYTHING, and then LIED to congress about it? If you believe that they think they can get away with that while several government intelligence agencies are combing their servers, you must think really lowly of them.

Think about how gains from blaming Anonymous.  1.Sony gets a PR boost because it makes them seem like victims of cyber-terrorists.  If a cybercriminal leaves it, it is the kind of bait that the US goverment likes to see right now since they are actively going after Anonymous and would like more public support to do so.  This includes more computer seizures of people they are interested in looking at.  

2. A single file is relatively easy to fake.  From Sony's point of view, a PR boost of any sort out of this could be worth several million in sales when they are looking at some pretty large losses.  I didn't say that Sony did lie.  I just said that I wouldn't be surprised if they had put the file there.  It is a very, very small piece of data that could be easily placed and faked.  The motive is certainly there to do it.  That is all I am saying. I'm not even attacking Sony.  I could see any company in a similar situation pulling the Anonymous card right now.  We aren't talking about a few hundred dollars here.  We are talking millions.

1. Yes, I could see this. However, HOW IN THE WORLD would this benefit the hacker. Honestly. How does increasing unwarranted government seizure of computers and tapping phones help some guy hack? In fact, Anon is kind of a social network, like prison, where they learn each other's trade secrets etc. How would this benefit? More importantly, you imply that someone would leave that information to frame Anon. Unlikely, given the above. It is more likely that a person subscribing to Anon did it. There is no other reason for it.

2. It's not easy to fake. All files have "birthdates". They know exactly where and when they've appeared. The CIA can take a destroyed hard drive, and for ten thousand or so, restore every single bit on the drive. It is just not possible. If someone broke in your house and killed a family member, would you write a fake note signed by someone you don't like before you called the cops.