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DélioPT on 02 May 2011
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sapphi_snake said:

@DélioPT:

Whims? I don`t really get it will you make it sound so selfish. You are completely ignoring the part, even if you don`t believe it, that God is good and that He sacrifices Himself. A good person doesn`t havw whims, egostistical people who think nothing but of themselves, have whims.

How does he sacrifice himself? A sacrifice  mean giving up something in the benefit of someone, which isn't the case for God. And if you can't logically argue why  a particular rule is beneficial to everyone, other than saying "because I say so", then it's a whim.

Why do you think that God forgives? Because of Him or because of us?
Speaking of society laws, the principle applies: you misbehave you get punished. Its justice. You are just loking at the negative and forgetting that from the religious point of view your are free to do what you want but you still need to be responsible for your actions.
Even yourself when someone does good to you you end up rewarding that person and when someone does something bad, what exactly do you?
It`s all action>reaction; cause>effect. As i said, it`s a whim, it`s justice.

You have a very immature view regarding morality. You're ignoring the basis of the very rules that are instilled, which is a very important aspect. Following your logic, disobeying Hitler was wrong, and being punished for helping Jews hide (for example) was perfectly fair. After all it's casue and effect, it's justice after all (totally ignorimg whether or not it's right to persecute Jews in the frist place). It's no wonder you're worshiping a tyrant.

(I already showed why the whole action>reaction, casue>effect part of your reasoning is wrong, so I won't bother with that anymore).

Jesus nor God said everything about everything. Not even the Church says it like that. What happens it there are parts in the Bible of Jesus and God`s words and teachings that show one way of being or doing things that complete exclude the other or others.

And the sheep blindly follow...

"How does he sacrifice himself? A sacrifice  mean giving up something in the benefit of someone, which isn't the case for God. And if you can't logically argue why  a particular rule is beneficial to everyone, other than saying "because I say so", then it's a whim."
I think that Jesus sacrificing Himself by giving His life and suffering at the hands of men is a BIG sacrifice.
Don`t just throw words without reading or caring for what they mean or apply to.
If you don`t believe it´s another thing, but you can`t deny it to the point of not giving consideration on your analysis.


"After all it's casue and effect, it's justice after all"
Once again you read things our of context. Having a cause is one thing, knowing the reason of the cause it`s another. It also gives you understanding. They way you use your words are what make Hitler as good as the next man.

"And the sheep blindly follow..."
Yes, because we don`t think like every single person in this world thinks.