| sapphi_snake said: @DélioPT: What evidence? Being born one way doesn`t classify as human nature. And if i`m not mistaken science hasn`t proven for sure. Also, a genetic "inclination" doesn`t mean that the religious concept of human nature is wrong. Read scientific articles on the matter. All professionals agree that sexual orientation isn't a choice, regardless of the causes, and that for a homosexual homosexuality is natural and normal and healthy. I don't know what exactly you base your ideea of human nature o, but it certainly seems to have little to do with nature. You didn`t prove a single thing. The only thing you showed was how you only see a "detail", if you will, don`t care what the context is and judhe the whole for the part. You ignore the difference that clearly exists between God and dictators just because you can`t see past the fact tha people should be held responsible for their choices. There isn`t freedom without consequences. Life has causes and consequences. It`s not just with our relation to God, in our own relations there is repercussions for the good and the bad and with God it`s no different. The consequences aren't a result of the actions themselves having a certain impact, but a result of the will of a person who decided that certain actions are wrong (because he says so), and that people sould suffer for doing them. Some actions are bad due to the results they cause, while many of the actions your god condemns don't have any actual negative consequences, but he condemns them anyway, because he feels like it. Also, this relationship you talk about is very one sided, with one side needing to submit to the whims of the other. He also doesn't give you much of a chocie, as he makes sure that not chosing to submit to him leads you to perpetual unhappiness (including suffering for eternity in hell). And I fail to see how Jesus's "sacrifice" proves any belevolence, when it is all a result of his own will, and nothing bad would've happend to him regardless. You can handle pain and still find piece of mind and at heart, but if you haven`t piece of mind or at heart, then believe me, it will be a lot more devastating than any physical pain. The sense of void, for example, is more hurtful than any physical addiction. Those addictions are usually a result of something, rather than a cause. |
Read scientific articles on the matter. All professionals agree that sexual orientation isn't a choice, regardless of the causes, and that for a homosexual homosexuality is natural and normal and healthy. I don't know what exactly you base your ideea of human nature o, but it certainly seems to have little to do with nature
Human nature isn`t about physical nature or how your body works, it`s more than that. But as i said, it`s not a question of being this way or the other, it`s about the choices you make. Being tempted this way or that way isn`t what matters.
The consequences aren't a result of the actions themselves having a certain impact, but a result of the will of a person who decided that certain actions are wrong (because he says so), and that people sould suffer for doing them. Some actions are bad due to the results they cause, while many of the actions your god condemns don't have any actual negative consequences, but he condemns them anyway, because he feels like it. Also, this relationship you talk about is very one sided, with one side needing to submit to the whims of the other.
First of all, one´s action always has consequences. If those are good or bad or a different matter. It isn`t that subjective because what we do or think always has a good or bad result, it may diverge according to one belief, but they still go by good or wrong to yourself and to others if they are the target of said action.
I can`t understand how you feel that some actions don`t have consequences but that`s a point of view. I have another. You can`t look at others point of view without looking at the context of that point of view. "Because he feels like it..." is an example of that, but honestly i can understand why you say it. All that i will say is that, we didn`t creat life, we didn`t create ourselves and everything that`s part of us, so maybe there`s more to us than one can reach in our understanding. Believe in God gives me more understanding of myself and Himself.
The relationship between God and us is the complete opposite of one sided. The love is mutual, He is my friend and Father and He loves me. How do i know this? Faith is an answer, as is what`s written in the Bible and so many more resons to feel certain about this.
He also doesn't give you much of a chocie, as he makes sure that not chosing to submit to him leads you to perpetual unhappiness (including suffering for eternity in hell).
It`s a choice, you might not like the outcome but it`s still a choice, as honest choice that you base solely on your will. Freedom.
And I fail to see how Jesus's "sacrifice" proves any belevolence, when it is all a result of his own will, and nothing bad would've happend to him regardless.
No. Death without God is the cause of our actions, not God`s. The good or the bad is fruit of our actions, decisions, etc. His goodness comes from the death of Jesus. Because if that didn`t happen there would be no salvation for us. We would live in sin and we would die in sin. Every sin we commit is another step away from God. So to save us and let us leave forever in peace and love He sacrificed Himself to show that those we die with Him, ressurrect with Him.
More, and seeing that he made us free, He still let us choose our path.
Those addictions are usually a result of something, rather than a cause.
Addictions are the result of something, yes. But it`s not the end. Even if they are a result, they have consequences in out lifes and sometimes deeper consequences. It`s not just the body that suffers, it`s their hearts that hurt in consequence.
