dib8rman said:
r505Matt said:
dib8rman said:
pizzahut451 said:
And how is atheism any diffrent than Christianity when it comes to evidence and faith? Is there any evidence that supports non-existance of God? HELL NO. Atheist believe theire is no God based on no evidence. Christians beleive there is a God based on no evidence. So we should ridicule Atehism as well right? But, Richard Dawking forbiid than anyone thinks anything even remotly bad about your supeiror beleif. Stop acting like atheism is a proven beleif or something. its not even close to that. |
Well, I wasn't arguing for atheism there, just pointing out two very polar world views.
The comparison I was drawing was between world views versus ethnicity. It would seem that the OP basically said all african americans view the world in a unique way from other humans; if you care to remember the context of the OP at all pizza, that's what he was talking about or at least his example.
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But I'll say this about your post though, Richard Dawkins if I remember correctly is a PR guy from Oxford, there is a fancy title but I don't remember it. Now Dawkins travels the world to debate popular theists and when asked who does he refuse to challenge and why? He said he only challenges "those who have a reason to believe it and all of it. Not people whose only cling to fame is that they can goof around with words." Now beyond what the man has sayed I don't know who the "anyone" category your mentioned is filled with.
You've made a mistake though, Atheism isn't about there being no god, it's that whatever god you choose to believe in that god has no holding on the changes of everyday action. That is to say that tributing and performing other rituals (prayer, mass, magicical invokation, sacrifice and so on) do not change will not pause the laws of physics in favor of a miracle.
To put it plainly can you prove to me Unicorns exist? Well I can't prove to you that they don't either, but I can say that regardless of their existance or lack of - life goes on.
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Actually, atheism is the rejection of belief of any deity or higher power. Agnostics believe in a possible higher power but it is indefinable. A belief in a powerless higher power is almost oxymoronic, but would still constitutes as a theistic belief. Essentially, you would be believing in a power that created the universe and life as we know it but has no power/reason/desire to influence/control/change. Believing in a powerless deity is still belief in a deity, that is merely ascribing a trait of powerless instead of the typical omnipotent.
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Actually, he refferenced Richard Dawkins who is a noted Atheist, I only just paraphrased Dawkins position since I own a copy of his book "The God Delusion" and was able to summarize his point.
I may be coming off a bit wrong here then if your saying that I'm saying Atheists' believe in a powerless deity. No, the argument is meant to give an example of how powerless the theist deities are to the point where tangible attribution becomes non importable. It's an argument geared at miracle works which is a selling point for faith, which attempts to to make a claim to secret knowledge in a probability game using the same emotions involved when a person says maybe not knowing the odds: "well what are the odds?"
Suddenly I'm happy I didn't stick with satire on that response, explaining everything away like an old Victorian cartoon only to kill the joke.
Sorry for the post above also; I was in a rush.
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Well, and I knew this would happen, but my actual choice of the word powerless isn't important. I was merely commenting on your idea of atheists believing in any kind of deity. Atheism, in the strictest yet simplest sense, is the rejection of belief of a higher power/celestial being/deity. Regardless of whatever traits any religion wants to add to their deity or choice, atheists simply reject the idea of the deity in the first place. Believing in any deity or any kind is theism.
