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richardhutnik on 13 April 2011
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ImJustBayuum said:
richardhutnik said:
ImJustBayuum said:

how did a thread about france banning the face veil ended up a thread about revolutions, turkeys future direction and dictatorship in the Middle East.

I support the ban. A burqa is not modesty (as require by the qu'ran) its fucken extreme.

By means of mental associations, one thing lead to another.  I personally don't support the burqa, but I am more opposed to government acting in this manner, and also support people being able to be anonymous in public.  Then again, this comes from an American perspective, which has a constitution insuring freedoms. 

The freedom of expression is extreme.  I once saw a guy who had cosmetic surgery (I assume he wasn't born that way) to make himself look like a devil.  That is extreme to me.  Why would I end up supporting this?

Yeah I also enjoy living in a society with extremely high freedom and I also support people's right to privacy..but in some very rare cases I am willing to sacrifice a little bit of right to freedom for  the good of society as a whole.

That devil example is also an extreme freedom of expression, but did he as a result of this expression of freedom increase the security risks for society and public. IMO no, well I hope not

Look at the motivation behind the ban.  Is it, at heart, security concerns or something other, like a cultural war against religions fundamentalism?  Name any society that isn't considering such a ban that is doing it out of security concerns, and not because they don't like Fundamentalist Islam in their society.  It is because of a set of value some hold in society, and try to express, that the ban is put in place.  Security is said as the reason, but is it really?

And, when this right to believe is fought against, combined with the inability to hide onself to protest it, then what do you think happens?  Give the government the ability to track, know and follow what everyone is doing in society and what comes next here?  In thast case, what is the real security risks?