Kasz216 said:
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I've said it once, and i'll say it again.
All the Burqa Ban does is hide the underlying issues so the French can feel good about themselves.
Which is generally the French's approach to sexism and racism. Close your eyes and pretend everythings cool.
All this will do, is prevent women who were forced to where the Burqa from leaving their homes. A real improvement.
While preventing those who wanted to wear it, to wear it.
Meanwhile, now those women who were going out into the world, are shut off more, and isolated more from society making it harder for them to break away.
Or, for the few who are treated in such a way and are let out... there is now no sign that they are beign mistreated.
Of course, there will be women forced to wear it anyway, and well, they'll be punished by the police, which is great... because that's what you want in society. Laws that punish the victim.
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Yes and like the law stated the husband can get a huge fine for it and probably other measures..
Try to answer this how come Turkey who banned the Burqa is one of the best muslim countries to live in for muslim women? Coincidence? If it wasn't for Erdogan the future for the Turkish women would be great.
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It depends on if you consider correlation coincidence.
Enforce a Burqa ban in Saudi Arabia, and the women will be treated no better. It's just Saudi Arabia wouldn't consider such a ban.
That's like asking if it's a coincidence that more resturants serve pork in turkey then everywhere else, and women's treatment is better.
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Not really, women in Burqa or who wear a headscarf never have been treated equal to men, people
always belief this is because it happens in (former) christian countries where people are biased against the muslim community but even in muslim countries the same problem occurs. Ataturk's idea was that when you ban the burqa and even ban the abilty to veil yourself when working for state/public sector would increase the rights of the women in the long end and you can only have a good society where women and men are treated equal... Yes the first years were hard and their were women who could not leave their house;.But in the end more women won their freedom and I recommend you to visit one of the bigger city's in the west of Turkey and have a talk about it, plenty of them will say that they can only live this free thx to the ban..
When a idiot says their doesn't exist an muslim country with a good society he will get the answer that he should look up the country called Turkey...Now the same people who gave that answer should look up why this is possible..
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Er? No? Again, your confusing correlation with causation. You are talking about a concentrated effort to help women's rights, and then a law done in that claim, that probably had negative effects.
It's not the first time a law meant to enforce rights led too the opposite happening.
For example, france's "Colour blind" policy. All that has done is allow racism to grow and descrimination to grow, without any official government official judging it.
Point out that a racial divide is growing, and they call you a racist.
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Let me say it this way how come that their are Muslim women agreeing with the ban? Infact how come Muslim women openly demanding for a Burqa ban? Is this maybe because they live in the Muslim societies in France and see that the fundamental ideas like 'women are not equal to men' are becoming more popular and hope this ban could help to demotivate those men who see women not as equal to men? The law helped to demotivate the men in Turkey why should it not help in France?
France already admitted that Colour Blind Policy is not working but at the same time leaders of others countries like UK/Germany also admitted that their policy is also not working..
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Why are there people against the ban too?
1)It ddn't help demotivate the men of Turkey. You just want to read into it that they did.
2)And your avoidence of the other post, generally proves that point.
3)Though yeah, the UK and German plans aren't working either, that's why there has been an increased effort to adopt US thinking in the fields of sexism and racism.
The basic fundamentals and understandings of sexism and racism are somewhat primitive in europe. There is like a breakdown in the very construct of sexism. Treating it as an economic construct rather then a sociological one.
Economic solutions will not fix an issue of society.
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Because it are mostly people who can not accept that someone doesn't like something from an other race/religion? If I say that I don't like the muslim culture their will be a bunch of people who will call me a racist even if their are muslims saying it....
Not of all of them ofcourse some just want equality and mean it good like you.
And I would appreciate if you answered my questions why their are muslim women demanding for an burqa ban..
1) It is true that I cant' prove it but can you prove that it didn't demotivate those men?
2) I was not avoiding but typing an answer to the other post it just took a while before I could answer it.
3) I can not agree with this one, all EU coutries have different approach still all of them with an 4-10% muslim community are having the same problem...Going from France to the north of Europe like Sweden..
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1) You mean, outside the fact that the Burqa ban is getting put back in place and that it's being used as a rallying cry for groups like the AKP? That already was the proof. Even if all the women were let out of the house without it. They are no more likely to get help then they were before. In fact that are far less likely to get help... because now they can't be targeted by orginzations. Instead of targeting women in a Burka, a red flag that may suggest someone is being abused they now focus on.... what?
It's like if you said "We've got a neo nazi problem. We will solve it by making it illegal to wear a swastika!".
It's a naive and pointless gesture.
2) Great. Though in that post you still avoided the question.
3) Once again, that's because all Euroepon countries share a europeon economic view of sexism and racism, when sexism and racism is a culturally issue that needs to be solved culturally.
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