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richardhutnik on 11 April 2011
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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Is Holloween some sort of sacred day that it should exempt security concerns over any other day?

This being said, what kind of society do you want to live in, where individuals are not able to maintain privacy who have not committted criminal acts and forfeited their right to privacy?  Since when is does the government have every right to know who you are, and what you do at all times, or be able to find this out with absolute certainty?  You do realize that if the government had this ability, it is in prime position to impose a police state which will then end up being able to crack down and oppress those who are opposed.  Don't assume one minute that it won't happen.  In France, they have decided to target ALL Muslim fundamentalists and indoctrinate them in beliefs that they are opposed to.  They say they do the law in the name of "security", but it is really to oppose Islam as a religion in their society, and values that people are opposed to.  Women who voluntarily decide to cover their faces in the name of modesty, to be judged my their character are told they are not allowed to.  They are forced by society to end up getting into the entire vanity thing, showing faces.  That is what the French want there, as do the other nations.  It is state control of values, and mandates of the majority to confirm.

But, shoot, if you want it for the United States also, more power to you.  The United States can also decide to outlaw interracial marriage while it is at it also. 

You have argued in the past that if people neglect their responsibilities, the government will have to do it for them and deprive them of certain liberties in the process, so you can't honestly be surprised that if Muslim immigrants fail to assimilate, the French state will take steps to force them to do so.

I notice that, from time to time, where information is missing, individuals will fill in presumptive gaps using stereotypical thinking based upon a presumed group those individuals believe someone they are thinking about holds.  What I have repeatedly stated was that, in the case of where things go wrong for an individual, either through bad luck, or the fact the person made bad decisions, is that if there isn't a means by which the person has a hope of recovering and turning it around, society won't function right.  The responsibilities go for individuals to others in the same society they are in, to offer a hand up.  Without this degree of security, then people become very self-absorbed, and even the most basic of support is missing, where such individuals can act as Scrooge and say that they help, because they pay taxes.  Of course, such individuals will also likely complain their taxes are too high, and want them reduced.  And, heck, if you died destitute in the street, well, what do you expect?  You were a loser after all, and flushing of losers is the way society can better itself.  And I can argue this is basics of the Christian religion, that if I care to even remotely associate with, I need to bow my head to and acknowledge.  Well, if it isn't for society as a whole, it is at least a mission of the church. 

In what I wrote above, what you may of read from me is that if society doesn't do this, government will find itself increasingly doing, as it feels it needs to prevent society from falling apart.  So, the state of forcing people into compliance will end up following.  In no way do I approve of this at all, but acknowledge it can happen.