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Kasz216 on 09 April 2011
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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


And yet... his stances on free speech, sexism & racism would be seen as too liberal for him to be elected.

Not to mention personal freedom issues.

US... not so hot on things like government cameras monitering everything that goes on outside.

 

Or Immigration?  Oooh boy.

 

http://knowthecauses.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/the-fallacy-of-a-more-liberal-or-progressive-or-left-wing-europe/

 

Actually explains it pretty ok, not great but it's easier then me typing in depth.

Some of those points in tha article are not exactly true. Europe isn't a country, it's a continent.

Same-sex marriage is legal in only 8 countries worldwide, 6 of which are European. There are also countries who offer civil unions for gays, who give them teh same rights as heterosexual couples. By comparison, only a few US states do that. And gay couples in the US get no federal rights. And there are only 19 states in the US if I'm not mistaking that ban gay discrimination completely. I live in a bakcwards conservative country from Eastern Europe, and even here all discrimination against gays is illegal.

Plus, if you look at attitudes towards gaus in general, studies find that Americans are much more homophobic then the rest of the Western world.

And what's "liberal" or "progressive" about invading other countries and forcing political beleifs on them?

Everything actually.  If you know what liberalism actually is.

Aside from that... that was a pretty weak defense.  Europe not being a country is a weak arguement when you consider the statement is always "He would be too conservative to be elected in europe".

Would Barak Obama not get elected in your country because he was too conservative?  Or because he was too liberal?

Even in countries like France... would he not be elected becase of his "conservative" attitudes, or would he not be elected because of his stance on minorities?  He would abhor the new law that prevents people from wearing religious headgear into school, because we respect things like Freedom of religion here.

People are more anti-gay in the US then they are in Europe.  Really?  Your willing to say that, even from the country your in?

Isn't it true that the Europeon Union's pressure is basically the only reason your gay rights law stayed in effect?

http://www.personal-injury-attorney-los-angeles-now.com/personalinjurylosangeles/the-society-wont-accept-all-gay-rights-in-romania/

You won't see things like accepted police violence and attacking of parades anywhere in the US.

 

As for stuff like opinions on abortion, i'd look at the various abortion laws, and also note the timelines needed to get an abortion.  The US actually is more forgiving in that regard.