| Kasz216 said: You think every American is exceptional? Have you ever heard of the Bell Curve? Have you seen American education levels compared to many other 1st world countries. (and some third world.) The opportunity that is in America is more what I am talking about. The educational system in America is government run which is a tenet of communism as well. The American government schools are not teaching like they should. They indoctrinating the kids to become good little tax payers. Education should be run by each state/community independently of the Federal Government. The Clinton and O'bama commenets are funny, but pointless for me. As I support John Mccain. Making more money =/= working harder then someone else. I believe that's the disconnect we're having here. Well that and you don't seem to understand that what you fail to understand is that some people don't support a progressive tax because they're "LOL SOCIALISM" but because it's the best system we have for maintaining balance when you think you can't make the poor people pay taxes and it's been demonstrably shown that a strong middle class is vital to the health of the nation. Making more money doesn't necessarily mean working harder then someone else, this is true. But when you get to that level of pay you tend to also have more responsibility. If something goes wrong you are held responsible for it. That is what a lot of people don't want, more responsibility. I have many reasons why, but staying true to the 1 topic statement i will simply state this. 1) Your prebate tax IS socialism, and a socialist mechanic larger then ANY we currently have. It's a system where everyone registered gets a check from the government for exactly as much as the government deems is the correct amount people need for food, water and other essentials. It's one step away from actually giving every citizen this food, water and items. Peolpe arn't getting money based on what they spend on essentials, it's money based on what you THINK they should pay for essentials. So if a tax refund is socialism, the current tax rebate is socialism? The government has an index for the poverty level. I agree that the idea of a poverty level isn't exactly perfect, but what other way of refunding the poor their tax dollars to ensure they have the money they need to survive? I do not believe that government giving money BACK to the people who pay their taxes is socialism. It is a refund. If the idea is unpalatable to you then lets come up with a new idea for indexing the poverty level. If you despise socialism so much, and think that pure captialism is the only way, why do you support this prebate? Why not just make "essential" goods untaxable, like the states already do? I already don't pay any tax whenever I buy food. Are you also for repealing the regulations that prevent monopolies and price fixing? (After all, capitalism states price fixing is a good thing, since the people who need the objects the most will pay the most for them.) I never said that pure capitalism is the only way. I did say that less government interference in the marketplace and private lives would be better for everyone. If you made essential goods untaxable the FairTax rate would go through the roof. That is why the tax refund (AKA Prebate) is necessary. Your monopoly assertion is something that I believe is a valid function of government. That does not mean that I view that as socialist. Government breakup of monopolies is more of a service to the people. A monopoly is not capitalist, it is a form of totalitarian policy is the form of a business. A monopoly will undercut anybody that pops up in the market to compete with them. This is also not capitalist. Capitalism creates opportunities, monopolies suppress opportunies. Monopolies become only concerned with maintaining their power over the market. You claim, "After all, capitalism states price fixing is a good thing, since the people who need the objects the most will pay the most for them," which is not claimed by capitalism. It does state that in a capitalist economy, the person who needs the object the most will pay the most for it, but that does not mean that it is a good thing. Exploiting this is robbery and should be punished. Supply and Demand is one thing, holding goods for ransom is not. If you exploit the price of an item as you have suggested, you are nothing more than a pirate. By your support of the prebate, and your likely stance against Monopolies and Price Fixing, (which if you don't have objections against you'd be in the minority) you support some forms and parts of socialism yourself. So knee jerk shouting "Communist!" is quie dishonest intellectually. Just about everyone in this country supports some level of socialism and rejects atleast some parts of a pure captialistic system. I did not shout "Communist!" I shouted Marxist! Marxism has permeated the Democrat party and liberal thought. As I have said the Prebate and acting against monopolies and price fixing are not socialist in nature. They may have some similarities to socialism but are not. Heck the fact that you even agree that some poor shouldn't pay taxes is socialism on some level. In a true capitalistic world, everyone would pay taxes, and those who could not pay for food or water would have to hope that those who do have the money would decide it was worth there time to make sure these people didn't starve. I never said that the poor should not pay taxes, I simply recognized that in any system this will have to be the case. What you describe as a "true capitalistic world" is infact an anarchy without codes of morals or conduct. So i'd perfer you didn't label people the favorite son of Karl Marx just because they disagree with you. A true capitalist could accuse you of the very same. I did not label anyone a Marxist because they disagree with me, I labeled them because if they think that way, they are. I hope the "true capitalist" is not from the "true capitalistic world" you described from above. |
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