Judge Goldstone reconsiders his opinion of Israel's "war crimes"

[Mr Khan]

Kasz216 said:

Mr Khan said:

Kasz216 said:

 

Why would the PA want to negoiatie right now?  Afterall Hamas is more popular in gaza.  They were elected, as far as I can tell fairly.

Ok, so the PA makes a deal with Israel.  This would be a pretty bad deal, if you've read the leaked papers (have you seen those by the way).

Even if it wasn't though, you'd still get basically nobody happy about it.  People would move to support Hamas more, and not  less.

The PA only stands to lose power by agreeing to a deal now.

As for Israel making a deal with the PA.  They basically would be forced to if Hamas didn't exist.  Not because they wanted to, but because they'd have no excuse not to, to the international community.

I agree that the PA stands to lose from a deal made under Israel's current terms. Israel's got to man up, share Jerusalem, tell the settlers to take a hike, and then they'd have a perfectly viable deal that i think the Palestinian people would be willing to go for, one that could delegitimize Hamas if they made it.

The ball's in Israel's court here. If they don't move, then support for the PA will collapse in the West Bank too, and it'll be Intifada all over again.

I dunno, afterall look at the camp david accords.  That fell apart basically because they didn't think the Palestinians would accept it.  Don't see what has changed since... outside a further support for more radical proposals.

Aside from that as for support of the PA collapsing... I'm not sure Israel doesn't want that to happen.  I mean the PA is basically the only thing keeping a good face on things.  If Hamas ends up taking over all of Palestine, i'd say palestine loses a LOT of sympathy and when moderates from Palestine are ready to come to the table, the alleged current deals will look advantageous.

The actual Palestinian people have nothing but worse prospects as it drags on, which is why it's sad that neither party in Palestine benefits from making a deal now... except MAYBE hamas if we legiatmized them.

While Israel doesn't benefit from making a deal now either, but would benefit long term. (Though at the current population suffering which is a negative.)

 

A deal won't be made, because it doesn't benefit any of the principal leadership parties and would only benefit the people.

Heh, i'm fairly anti-Israel and even i wouldn't have thought that Israel would be willing to spit on the PA just to delegitimize them and weaken their bargaining power. I'm under the assumption that the Israelis want peace as much as the Palestinians do, though i suppose given that Israel is just leaning more and more to the right as time goes by, that may not be the case (considering that outright nutjobs like Lieberman can hold positions of authority...)

What will defeat Israel in the long run, of course, is demography. In 30 years or so Jews will be the minority, and unless they take radically nondemocratic action (which would, of course, lead to further international condemnation), they'll lose the State of Israel democratically, and i would hope that that at least has bearing on the minds of the Likud folks, even if a more humanitarian motive for peace eludes them.